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CBTO

The way that I see it such a std. would need to be designed to reduce that to an acceptable amount with realistic tolerances for the gauging parts. It is not impossible, it's just a question of what is acceptable and what is reasonable to manufacture.
BUT there are enough here who are fighting the mere mention of a possibly better way to share info that I simply don't care any more.
It's not a matter of not caring. A few ten thousands of tolerance in multiple parts of the shooting system make it not possible. If we could make every bullet exactly the same we would. We strive for that, even though it is not possible. We are now using new cutting inserts that cost 10 times as much as carbide because they hold tolerances tighter for longer. Holding 2 ten thou in dia is a tall order. That kind of tolerance cost a premium in a job shop. 2 ten thou is too small to see with the naked eye. A typical thin piece of paper is 4 thou.
 
I recently made this upgrade (Hornady to SAC). There is night and day difference in quality.
I also have Sinclair comparators. They aren't too bad. I just reset my shoulder bump die because I changed the stock Forster ring to the ring with the .001" index marks on it. Worth it? Eh, I don't know. It was set with without the fancy ring. But there's no reference mark on the die. I added a sharpie mark but that's not exactly permanent. The fancy ring made it faster to set the shoulder bump back like it was before I screwed it up by adding the fancy ring. 👀

I used my SAC comparator to set it up. Is it way better than the Sinclair comparators? I don't know. It's marked better. It's heavier. It's easier to change (no allen screw like the Sinclair has). It seems to be made better. Something about the way it contacts the bullet makes it settle in faster.

Is it a must have? I don't know. It wasn't for me. It was just another new tool. One can never be a big enough... I mean one can never have enough tools.
 
Thanks for the honest appraisal Mike6158.
Companies sure make a lot of money on us trying different thing's, don't they?
Down the rabbit hole I go,get out the visa,the wife says no!The woes of a reloader!
If I had bought the SAC comparators first they would be the only comparators that I own. There's that
 
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That's not a standard. That is one company doing a good job. If it were a standard then the other mfg's tools would also yield numbers within that tolerance range. It's clear to me continuing with this is pointless.
Uhh, the "standard" you want is minor bore diameter. Which is pretty darn standardized by caliber. Not SACs fault Hornady can't drill a round hole 😂

But as with everything else there are exceptions - I have a .299" tight bore 308.
 
I just thought of one of the other things that I like about the SAC comparators. My 7mm Rem Mag comparator is clearly marked 7mm x 25 degrees. I have another one marked 7mm x 35 degrees because I screwed up. Or did I? Maybe I need to buy a rifle to work with the comparator?

The BTO comparators are marked 7mm Bullet and 7mm Solids. I haven't needed the Solids comparator yet. The tray for the bits and pieces is nice. He builds nice stuff.
 
So legit question. You have the best tools EVER designed and actually machined to measure CBTO. The tools insure 100% zero drift and alignment to bullet ogive. You are equally trained in correct and proper use of the tools.

1 - How do you know how "true" the entry to the lands are at the exact time you measured for CBTO?

2 - How do you "accurately" measure the uneven wear to the throat from normal shooting?

Asking for a friend.
 
So legit question. You have the best tools EVER designed and actually machined to measure CBTO. The tools insure 100% zero drift and alignment to bullet ogive. You are equally trained in correct and proper use of the tools.

1 - How do you know how "true" the entry to the lands are at the exact time you measured for CBTO?

2 - How do you "accurately" measure the uneven wear to the throat from normal shooting?

Asking for a friend.
(1) You don't
(2) You don't

I know that was a highly detailed and exacting reply but I promise I didn't use AI to write it.

I'm not trained in the use of gauge pins, inside and outside mic's, and other, but not all, precision measuring devices and I still learned how to use them correctly. To me training says classroom / books / teacher. I learn better by doing and watching someone that knows what they are doing. Oh, and screwing up.

If you do something the same way and get a good result every time, until something changes, you should get a good result every time. That means you aren't likely to get the same result every time if you measure the result with ultra high precision.

We are trying to hit a target with high accuracy and repeatability, with a chunk of metal that is designed by a human (with a computer?), that comes off of a machine that makes chunks of metal at a high speed, by setting off a chemical explosion inside of a piece of brass stuffed into a chamber. The results of the explosion (combustion) shoves the chunk of metal out of the tube with "spinny things in it" into changing temperature, pressure, density, and movement. Add the human factors and the recipe goes all to he double toothpicks at the highest resolution you can analyze it.

Ain't this fun!

PS - I still like my SAC comparators :)
 
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