I can't play that low. I wish you well bud.
Bullets With Grooves
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Thats right. Cause there is no lower to get to.
I tried to stay neutral because like the say in Texas, don't have a dog in this fight. I come here to learn and I do learn something every day. I just get mad when everything it turns to hammer or leave.
Now join your buddy
This is the entire quote of what I said. I'm sorry my terminology became a focal point. I work on aircraft almost daily and I do have college credits in aerodynamics. Pardon me if I didn't use exact correct terminology. However, I did say "applying a radius is indeed a good way to reduce drag". When I did mention the exact term of "parabolic drag" it was meant in reference to the shape/profile of most other drive bands, bore riders, etc that are squared and are not aerodynamic to reduce drag. The shape of an airfoil is the way it is to reduce drag and produce lift. I fully understand we're not trying to produce lift with a bullet (although I have seen debates on that out there as well), but shape/profile still matters when it comes to drag reduction. Hammer have reduced drag, parabolically, by applying the radius to their drive bands.
The whole point of my post I quoted above was to give a nod to Steve and Hammer on what they did to improve their bullet design regarding both internal and external ballistics. That went well…
In my first paragraph, the "feature" I was referring to was drive bands or grooves, applied to many mono bullets that help with internal ballistic performance.
I really don't know why the post got so picked apart other than perhaps it came from me and I've apparently got a certain reputation going right now here. I'm not meaning to accuse anyone of anything and I wasn't trying to start a fight. I was literally talking about how Hammer did good with their drive band design.
I'm sorry, OP, for all this. asd9055, please tell me where I'm fitting your characterizations. Can you PM so it's not rotting this thread? I've never met the Hammer guys and am not on anyone's bandwagon. I'm not angry. I care about you and everyone else. That's why I appealed to you in a PM earlier. I'm more than happy to apologize where it is due. I think you misread me and others here.
Personally, I am studying all projos with the same interest - finding what works best for me and solves the most problems. If something doesn't work, you can be sure any "disciples" will be dropping away from it over time. Those things take care of themselves... I don't feel threatened about it at all myself, nor in threads about other projos...
RockyMtnMT
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Main reason is they can be seated anywhere on the baring surface. Keeps concentricity at a wider range of seating depth. Also making sure there is enough material to engage the lands so that bullets don't slip in the rifling. We are toying with more radical designs for target bullets.
It's just normal for folks to ask about any part they do not understand. Don't take it personal bud. And thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it.
However, I did say "applying a radius is indeed a good way to reduce drag". When I did mention the exact term of "parabolic drag" it was meant in reference to the shape/profile of most other drive bands, bore riders, etc that are squared and are not aerodynamic to reduce drag. The shape of an airfoil is the way it is to reduce drag and produce lift. I fully understand we're not trying to produce lift with a bullet (although I have seen debates on that out there as well), but shape/profile still matters when it comes to drag reduction. Hammer have reduced drag, parabolically, by applying the radius to their drive bands.
The whole point of my post I quoted above was to give a nod to Steve and Hammer on what they did to improve their bullet design regarding both internal and external ballistics. That went well…
In my first paragraph, the "feature" I was referring to was drive bands or grooves, applied to many mono bullets that help with internal ballistic performance.
I really don't know why the post got so picked apart other than perhaps it came from me and I've apparently got a certain reputation going right now here. I'm not meaning to accuse anyone of anything and I wasn't trying to start a fight. I was literally talking about how Hammer did good with their drive band design.
I miss those days with the Phantoms and Hawgs, BRRRRRT!
However, I did say "applying a radius is indeed a good way to reduce drag". When I did mention the exact term of "parabolic drag" it was meant in reference to the shape/profile of most other drive bands, bore riders, etc that are squared and are not aerodynamic to reduce drag. The shape of an airfoil is the way it is to reduce drag and produce lift. I fully understand we're not trying to produce lift with a bullet (although I have seen debates on that out there as well), but shape/profile still matters when it comes to drag reduction. Hammer have reduced drag, parabolically, by applying the radius to their drive bands.
The whole point of my post I quoted above was to give a nod to Steve and Hammer on what they did to improve their bullet design regarding both internal and external ballistics. That went well…
In my first paragraph, the "feature" I was referring to was drive bands or grooves, applied to many mono bullets that help with internal ballistic performance.
I really don't know why the post got so picked apart other than perhaps it came from me and I've apparently got a certain reputation going right now here. I'm not meaning to accuse anyone of anything and I wasn't trying to start a fight. I was literally talking about how Hammer did good with their drive band design.
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RockyMtnMT
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Why didn't you say that when I asked what you meant? We can very nicely talk about material density and the effects of it.
However, I did say "applying a radius is indeed a good way to reduce drag". When I did mention the exact term of "parabolic drag" it was meant in reference to the shape/profile of most other drive bands, bore riders, etc that are squared and are not aerodynamic to reduce drag. The shape of an airfoil is the way it is to reduce drag and produce lift. I fully understand we're not trying to produce lift with a bullet (although I have seen debates on that out there as well), but shape/profile still matters when it comes to drag reduction. Hammer have reduced drag, parabolically, by applying the radius to their drive bands.
The whole point of my post I quoted above was to give a nod to Steve and Hammer on what they did to improve their bullet design regarding both internal and external ballistics. That went well…
In my first paragraph, the "feature" I was referring to was drive bands or grooves, applied to many mono bullets that help with internal ballistic performance.
I really don't know why the post got so picked apart other than perhaps it came from me and I've apparently got a certain reputation going right now here. I'm not meaning to accuse anyone of anything and I wasn't trying to start a fight. I was literally talking about how Hammer did good with their drive band design.
Because Steve, I've yet to have a nice conversation with you. It's sad. I wish it weren't so. I just get accused of bias. I'm sorry if I jumped to conclusions here, and maybe I did. I'm pretty sure though there are others that would agree I maybe had at least some kind of justification for it.
I would like nothing more than to start over and have actual civil discussions.
JakeC
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He's not interjecting on a thread, he makes grooved bullets so he's qualified to speak. If someone from Barnes shows up I'm going to listen too. Or Federal, I find their choices really interesting. Or nosler. Why on earth does the E tip not have grooves? Furthermore, this is in fact an extension of a conversation that the OP started last week about hammers on a different thread. Everybody's allowed to talk about Grooved bullets but Hammer? That doesn't seem fair no matter what you shoot. We're just talking, we don't have to pick sides.
Waooo. pick two words to focus and forget ther rest...
Peace brother
JakeC
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You're accusing another human being of that? Fascinating.
