greenejc
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I like the Armadillo. Also a Darwin Hopeful.Darwin Award hopeful.......I like that
I like the Armadillo. Also a Darwin Hopeful.Darwin Award hopeful.......I like that
I had that happen with my model 29 at a range. The primer ignited but the powder didn't. Don't know why. I had my tool kit with me, and I found a 9mm casing. I dropped the casing down the barrel and used a long shafted screwdriver with a blade that fit inside the casing to drive the bullet out of the barrel. The 9mm casing couldn't score the barrel, and the casing protected the barrel from the screwdriver. I cleaned the powder out of the revolver and continued my range session. But I always keep a tool kit with me when I hunt or go shooting. Because you never know. By the way, I still have and shoot the Model 29.l had a bullet get stuck in the barrel/cylinder of my 44 S&W revolver a few years back. Locked the gun up and was unable to open or unload the cylinder... Fortunately l was with a competent machinist on this range trip.. Back in his shop we were able to remove the bullet and ammo from the gun without damage to gun or selves using a piece of 3/8'' dia nylon rod... HE wrapped the barrel with a piece of thick leather before chucking into a vise. He then gently tapped the cast lead bullet back in the case... We were then able to open the cylinder and remove the rounds from the cylinder... There was unburned powder in the cylinder and barrel... To this day l still am not sure what caused the misfire/squib... Best guess was a piece of tumbling media lodged in the flash hole causing incomplete ignition of powder...
That stuck bullet caused me to check each flash hole with a decapping rod after tumbling brass... That nylon rod is also with me on each and every trip to the range...
Seems like not as uncommon as you might think for h110/296 loads without a magnum primer if you are on castboolits forum. Usually 4th or 5th shot in cylinder. The round had a lighter crimp and may have backed out a smidge, then the primer pushes the bullet and powder out without full ignition. Was written about in some reloading literature to have more roll crimp with cast bullets since they slipped easier than jacketed giving exactly this situation.I had that happen with my model 29 at a range. The primer ignited but the powder didn't. Don't know why. I had my tool kit with me, and I found a 9mm casing. I dropped the casing down the barrel and used a long shafted screwdriver with a blade that fit inside the casing to drive the bullet out of the barrel. The 9mm casing couldn't score the barrel, and the casing protected the barrel from the screwdriver. I cleaned the powder out of the revolver and continued my range session. But I always keep a tool kit with me when I hunt or go shooting. Because you never know. By the way, I still have and shoot the Model 29.
It only happened once, back in 1979, and I was using IMR 4227. I pulled the trigger, got a boom, pulled the trigger, got a boom, pulled the trigger and got a shoop. Shoop? That's not supposed to happen. When I opened the cylender, Powder fell out along with a casing with a fired primer. I think maybe the powder got damp, though how is beyond me. I had about 100 rounds loaded with the same powder from the same can, they all worked.Seems like not as uncommon as you might think for h110/296 loads without a magnum primer if you are on castboolits forum. Usually 4th or 5th shot in cylinder. The round had a lighter crimp and may have backed out a smidge, then the primer pushes the bullet and powder out without full ignition. Was written about in some reloading literature to have more roll crimp with cast bullets since they slipped easier than jacketed giving exactly this situation.
Bud sir,TONY D I know where your coming from and I certainly get the decision to play it safe in this situation What I find incredible is the number of knowledgable people who have responded to my question with so many different yes or no answers and some in between! Most of the responses use a lot of common sense and yet disagree. I think this is rare on a site with so many competent people as this one Don't misunderstand, the last thing I am doing is complaining. I really appreciate all of the responses. I did not expect this question to generate this much interest. Could it be that maybe there is not really a right or wrong or yes or no answer because sometimes this could work but other times could cause damage or injury? That could explain the differences of opinion among so many firearm educated people. Also, it could be that some know that it was a workable idea but did not want to get involved in the legality of the safety factor? I really get worried when a guy like J E says he actually works on repairs to guns where this has been tried. Well I think we could go for page 7 but I don't feel like everyone is going to agree on this one. THANKS.....BUD
We have something in common I attended the USC Ground and Flight Safety Management and Investigations Schools in the seventies but I also have degrees in Chemistry and Zoology. I was a Test Pilot in the Air Force for awhile, and was the lead investigator or board president on 11 major accident investigations 10 of which were aircraft; including one inflight collision between a civilian aircraft and an Air Force airplane (Which did not kill anyone!). I also have extensive education, both private and government, in the use, handling and storage of explosives. I have participated in testing and design of new propellants for military rotary canons. Playing with gunpowder in an iffy situation is UNGOOD. In short, it's not worth the Risk!! Your time in safety probably was somehow coupled with the moniker of "Risk Management", no one wants to call it Corporate Safety in the HR and PR ranks of most any large company. And lastly, your paranoia is healthy, just remember what a fairly well know Psychiatrist one told me, "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean little green men aren't trying to capture you for their experiment." (Ah yes, I had to visit with him because I had been called on by ARTCC to intercept a UFO, which proved to be something else and was classified. A typical no win; eyes not good enough to see what we did on radar....send him for an eye test, you did see something but you can't or won't tell us what it was....send him to a shrink.) I tend like you to be conservatively safe.Bud sir,
I was not trying to make the definitive answer, I was stating 'my' opinion and providing an answer I believed, and believe is safe. I am not a chemist or an explosives expert, yet I try to be safe. There are many different opinions and all have value and can be learned from.
Back before I retired, part of my job was ensuring that all federal and state, or country, (depending on where I was consulting or designing) safety rules were followed on machinery the company I worked for made. I found a finger which had been removed by carelessness, it was taken to be reattached. I was part of a few investigations where workers had been killed or severely mauled by machinery, all were in countries other than the United States of America excepting one.
I worked on teams to help prevent such 'accidents', whether by mechanical, electrical or programming methods. Does this justify my paranoia? No, it merely gives me a different set of experiences to view life through.
All men will make their own decisions to guide their thoughts and actions.
Best to you, and all readers and posters,
May we always be safe, accurate and enjoy life, and as is said, "Keep your stick on the ice"
tony
Mama was right .Forrest Gump also said that . Great minds think alike."Mama says stupid is as stupid does "
They pop right out with a minor tap of a cleaning rod. Why risk anything else.I have seen references on this forum to getting a bullet stuck in the bbl when the bullet has been seated out to far into or touching the lands. I have never had this happen to me even though for many years I carried my BDL REM 22-250 in the field while searching for brave groundhogs that lived along railroad tracks out in the country. I always seated my silver tips touching the lands and never thought about getting a bullet dislodged and stuck. Maybe just lucky.The point of my post is to mention a technique that was brought to my attention a while back and get opinions on whether or not it works and would be a safe procedure. If no rod to dislodge a stuck bullet while hunting, remove a bullet from one of your spare rounds and trickle a small amount of powder into the chamber of the opened rifle. Now SPILL OUT THE REMAINING POWDER FROM THE CASING ONTO THE GROUND. Insert the EMPTY, live-primered ,CASING back into the chamber if it will fit. CLOSE the bolt and fire the rifle< This should dislodge the bullet to clear the end of the barrel. DOES THIS WORK?? Could save a hunt!.....BUD
With a 22-250, you might not blow up your gun, but doing this might still bulge the barrel. It might also cause the brass to fail at the head of the casing and blow powder back into the bolt and your face. I think you got lucky. Don't do it with a heavy bullet. Don't do it any more anyway.I'm not reading all the way to the end of this but I had a 22-250 that this happened with a few times. I just pulled a bullet with a leatherman, chambered the case with the FULL powder charge and shot the rifle-several times killing a deer. I eventually quit loading them so long and problem solved.