Turkeytider
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That`s a question for the .223`s proponents. I haven`t a clue.
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akmtnhnt
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Anywhere in the vitals. They don't wear body armor.
A guy just did this year. Post #6978.
They're killed all the time by the native's who prefer 223 and 243.
Most people aren't familiar with the anatomy of a bear and shoot too far forward. There is less hide bone and muscle between you and the vitals of a bear then there is an elk from a broadside shot.
I don't know why people don't think a 223 will kill just about anything. Arrows kill bears just fine. If you can bow hunt it, you can hunt it with a 223 successfully.
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rigby is my 416 of choice, but rem works well. I am a barnes guy for bullets. works on cape buff, will work well here. 400 gr tsx and 400 gr bronze solid
yeah, I would want a very good guide with bigger backup! prepare for worst case scenario not best.
akmtnhnt
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The guy that did it just killed a walrus with a 223. A whole lot more skin, muscle and fat and thicker bones to go through then any brown bear.
comfisherman
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This... this is why I'm pulling for the bears. So far the Moose have been more deadly this spring....
Husky user
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My guide wanted me to shoot twice after the bear was down,he said "I don't like to follow wounded bears into the brush"
Turkeytider
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I guess a question I have is this. Is " can " the same as " should " ? I don`t doubt that a properly placed ( whatever that might be ) .223 round " can " kill a bear. If you`re going to send me on a bear hunt, is my room for error as far as lethal shot placement the same with a .223 as it would be with, say, a 375 or 416? Don`t get me wrong, I`m a .223 fan. I love shooting mine, but is it the OPTIMAL choice for a grizzly or a big brown? I think I`d feel real naked real fast if, God forbid, I had a 1,000 or so Lb. bear at 100 yards, ****ed off, wounded, and/or hungry, full charge, with the appearance of a rolling mountain of brown fur, all teeth and claws, and all I had between him and me was my Savage 110 Storm in .223, and I`ve got to put a PERFECT shot into that rolling specter of death while defecating in my pants!! All in, what? 5 seconds?
akmtnhnt
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That's fine. But people hunt them with bows all the time. Which is wildly more dangerous to you than a 223.
****ed off bear at 20 yards with nothing in your hands after the first one is launched. But it works.
Turkeytider
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I`m sorry. To me, that borders on a death wish. It`s not like you`re defending yourself in an unavoidable situation. Your purposefully putting yourself in that position. But.....to each his own.
ALWAYS with a guide backup with a 375, 416 or bigger!!!
HARPERC
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The issue becomes whats the ratio of shot bear to recovered bear.
While bullet placement is critical in every shot, going after a bear, any kind of bear with a 223 is a hunting accident waiting to happen with you the center of attraction in the subject bears ire. I've been at this for some 61 years as an instructor, Military, NRA and Hunter Safety and have hunted a lot around the country when in the Army. I will readily admit I have hunted in bear country, but not for bear. I am not a trophy hunter, I am a meat hunter. I eat what I shoot and bear just doesn't trip my taste buds. I have always preached to bring a firearm up to the job when hunting anything. A .223 is not up to purposely going hunting in bear country much less intentionally going out hunting any bear, a ****ed off black bear can kill you just as dead as a Kodiak, and probably just about as fast. If you want to watch your grandchildren grow up don't venture into the bear woods with anything less than a 308. The life you save, will be your own.
sound advice, which I voiced earlier. I have hunted over 60 years, no almost 74. allover western US and Canada. been to Africa 27 times for all kinds of plains game up to and including cape buff 4 times. if I was in a situation where it is all I had, yeah, I would chance it, if I had a really good bullet. but by choice nope, nada, never!! been some big bears killed by native hunters with 22 long rifle, but under very unusual circumstances. I am not sure why this has gotten so much press. guy wants advice on a rifle for a brown bear hunt, surely NO SANE. REASONABLE hunter would suggest 5.56 , even with a roo. 338, 375, 416 a guide will be there if needed. poor shots from big boomers kill no better than 223. I for one am a sportsman but I don't relish the thought of stalking a wounded 10 ft brownie in the alder thickets, mist and rain of Alaska. no such thing as too much gun as long as you can shoot it well. see what the guides carry, none carry 5.56!!!While bullet placement is critical in every shot, going after a bear, any kind of bear with a 223 is a hunting accident waiting to happen with you the center of attraction in the subject bears ire. I've been at this for some 61 years as an instructor, Military, NRA and Hunter Safety and have hunted a lot around the country when in the Army. I will readily admit I have hunted in bear country, but not for bear. I am not a trophy hunter, I am a meat hunter. I eat what I shoot and bear just doesn't trip my taste buds. I have always preached to bring a firearm up to the job when hunting anything. A .223 is not up to purposely going hunting in bear country much less intentionally going out hunting any bear, a ****ed off black bear can kill you just as dead as a Kodiak, and probably just about as fast. If you want to watch your grandchildren grow up don't venture into the bear woods with anything less than a 308. The life you save, will be your own.
