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Boone and Crocket club so annoying!!

I have mixed emotions about B&C. As an organization they have done a lot of good things. Mostly behind closed doors too. Few know that B&C has only 100 regular members and it is not easy to find that membership list. The membership is composed of very influential people in both government and industry and is by invite only. I don't like their scoring system either. They are looking for the perfect specimen of a species based on antler/horn characteristics. Not a bad idea except that there is so much variation within the range of many popular game species. A 130 class Whitetail from southern Florida is a **** fine trophy yet it means nothing to B&C when compared to a 180 (Book) class Alberta Whitetail. Does that mean that the guy from Florida is any less of a hunter than the guy hunting in Alberta? I have a close friend who shot a B&C deer in Indiana. We both live in coastal NC. The first time I saw it the first words out of my mouth was ****, that is one ugly deer! And it is! Our deer around here are down right "purdy" but will never make B&C simply because of geography. Thus, B&C scoring is meaningless when it comes to hunting and ethics, and more about where you live or where you can afford to hunt.
 
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Above, I think, is a pretty well written article about long range hunting that we may consider using on occasion to pass on to others. Broz ran across this some time ago.

Also ran across this a few days ago. Idaho Redneck found this recently. It's another few words to consider:

Wild Wisconsin: Fair Chase

Here's the full text of the above link:
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Fair Chase

By Duane Fronek

I see this little phrase come up from time to time. What I'm about to write might infuriate some and please others and leave others thinking about where they stand on this little phrase. My thoughts on the phrase "Fair Chase" in a nutshell is basically, has got to be the most dangerous word to outdoor men and women and our pursuits in the wild when it comes to hunting, trapping and fishing. The phrase in my opinion is probably the most responsible for hunting, trapping and fishing rights lost over the years, pitting one outdoorsmen and women against another. Simply put fair chase is basically not just a phrase but an attitude and a tool to justify ones way of doing things, while sacrificing those of another. We see it all the time when issues come up such as the use of cross bows, high fence, hunting with hounds, trapping and the list goes on. The animal rights groups love that little phrase, because they have it figured out, and know those two words are their meal ticket for pushing their agenda. Their agenda, banning all forms of hunting, trapping and fishing, period.

I've heard it said many times before, don't know who the originator of it is but it goes something like this; "in order for a hunt to be fair chase, we would have to hunt with what we came into this world with, naked and our two bare hands." And that would be true in my opinion. Animals survive with what they were born with, necessary to survive. Man on the other hand were born with a thinking brain, to solve problems to give us an edge. When it comes to hunting, we surely can't run as fast as most animals, so man thought of ways to do the running for him, spears, bows, traps, guns etc. If we were to take a step back in time with our modern hunting equipment, we most likely would be worshipped on what we had to make our hunting more successful, that edge so to speak. Man has always used his most important weapon, his brain, when it comes to hunting, trapping and fishing. Because that's our biggest weapon in order to survive and to equal out our physical short comings to the game we pursue.

I've heard so many arguments over the years on what was fair chase, things like running coons, cats or coyotes with hounds not being fair chase, or baiting is not a fair chase practice or high fence hunting isn't real hunting, or trapping isn't fair chase because the animal doesn't have a running chance. To all that I say hogwash. Hunting with dogs is more than just turning dogs loose, there's training, breeding and basically one's way of life or way of doing things, they have a passion for it and they've figured a way to use man's best friend to aid him in hunting, using the dogs as a tool. Baiting is just another form of hunting, no different in my opinion than placing out doe in heat or sitting on a corn field, your using the animals needs and instincts against them in order to gain an edge, same as just sitting on a ridge where you can see several yards and perched on the ridge with your trusty 300 mag. To reach out and touch one. It wouldn't make much sense to sit there with a pistol or slug gun, no, we utilize the tools we have, to give us that edge. Now a deer walks up to within 40yds and you have the 300 mag in your lap are you gonna pass up the deer because he's not 300 yds out, I don't think so. Same with high fence, some say it's not sporting or fair chase. Well think about this, a lot of high fence are 100's and even 1000's of acres, where the deer roam where ever they will in basically in the same settings as their wild counter parts, just better taken care of. there are quite a few hunters out there that don't have the luxury of time on their side to enjoy the outdoors the way a lot of us do, their business men and women with busy schedules or locked in a city with no land they know of to hunt on or the time, but yet have a love and a passion to hunt just like the rest of us. I've heard it said trapping doesn't give the animals a sporting chance, well most of that comes from those never doing it, just like I suspect with the other claims of why this or that isn't fair chase. Trapping involves knowing your target well, well enough to put his foot on a pan or trigger no bigger than say 3"x 3" in order to get caught, you need to know their habits, what makes them tick just like pursuing any other thing like hunting or fishing.

So why condemn something or tactic another uses? Could be a number of reasons , jealousy, greed, or just plain stubbornness because that's not how I do it. And each time we attack another's legal way of doing things, we in essence are driving a nail in our own coffin for future use by the anti's. Take for example your on the front lines in a war, and all the tall guys are getting killed. Everyone gets together and says, lets not use tall guys in this fight, it'll eliminate anyone getting killed. So they do and go back into battle and now the medium height guys are getting waxed. So they have another meeting and decide, ok lets just use short guys, to prevent any further damage and fatalities. Now the enemy has the advantage of less troops in the ranks and basically over runs the troops and wins the battle. And in essence that's what we are doing to ourselves when we start acting under the guise of fair chase. We essentially are sacrificing another's way of doing things in order to preserve our own, but in reality we are destroying ourselves and our numbers in the ranks that allows us to be over run by the opposition..

We may not agree on everyone else's way of hunting or pursuits, but know this, everyone of us that hunts, traps or fishes has a love and passion for what they do, just as much as the next guy or gal, even if his/her way is different than ours.. Ben Franklin once said; "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." No truer words have been spoken when this country first began, and feel those words hold true for the outdoorsmen/women of today.

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Get off your TRIP!!!
Boone & Crockett is a great organization. I have a bison in B&C. I would really like to enter another animal. I killed a 4x5 mulie buck last fall at 587 yards. Took the top of the heart off. He was close to B&C. Everyone is into this "long range thing" & how many can really do it? Can you?
I doubt it.
Thanks, Kirk
 
Get off your TRIP!!!
Boone & Crockett is a great organization. I have a bison in B&C. I would really like to enter another animal. I killed a 4x5 mulie buck last fall at 587 yards. Took the top of the heart off. He was close to B&C. Everyone is into this "long range thing" & how many can really do it? Can you?
I doubt it.
Thanks, Kirk

Who exactly are you referring to and why exactly are you part of website magazine that exists for long range hunting with the attitude you seem to be portraying about long range hunting?

You seem to be very proud of your hunting accomplishments and that they are eligible for some artificial Boone and Crockett consideration. That's great. Many could care less about B & C and are happy for the hunting experience and/or getting meat in the freezer and they are no less worthy.

Boone and Crockett is an organization that is very lousy for hunting and hunters in general when and if they push their narrowly defined agenda so much it takes away rights from others, which is exactly the direction they are heading. Did you read the article about Fair Chase above? Have they done alot of good? Yes. But in so narrowly defining 'Fair Chase' and excluding long range hunting from that, they are expending their energies on things that divide hunters instead of spending energies on supporting legal, responsible hunting and uniting hunters.

That's what we need. Organizations that support legal responsible hunting. Period.

B & C, because of the influence that B & C and folks like Wayne Van Zwoll that influence policy there, have even begun to affect the Rocky Moutain Elk Foundation in a direct way with even RMEF President Allen making derogatory statements about long range hunting in a recent Bugle column--all of this while they don't seem to realize or are willfully ignorant to the facts about what pushing your own narrow idea of 'fair chase' can do--literally handing the antis ammunition at every turn.

Restrict this, restrict that because, in my opinion, you shouldn't hunt that way. We're doing that antis job for them...be careful. Think about it.
 
Get off your TRIP!!!
Boone & Crockett is a great organization. I have a bison in B&C. I would really like to enter another animal. I killed a 4x5 mulie buck last fall at 587 yards. Took the top of the heart off. He was close to B&C. Everyone is into this "long range thing" & how many can really do it? Can you?
I doubt it.
Thanks, Kirk

By Boone and Crocket standards you were not participating in far chase hunting and thus your animal would not be considered for entry. How does that set?
 
Catahula, are you serious lol lol lol!!! You come on to LONGRANGE HUNTING.com and say that!!! Really ? Most here on this site including myself have sent 1000 + rounds a year down range. Wow, the Boone and Crocket club is NOT a great organization. Especially an organization that is a SO called hunting organization and then they proceed to divide hunters. Yup that is an organization I want to be a part of. ( can you sense my sarcasm ). Most of us that have posted on this topic have effectiy taken game and longer ranges. Thank you for supporting Boone and Crocket club. As for me I will not.

Darrin
 
Get off your TRIP!!!
Boone & Crockett is a great organization. I have a bison in B&C. I would really like to enter another animal. I killed a 4x5 mulie buck last fall at 587 yards. Took the top of the heart off. He was close to B&C. Everyone is into this "long range thing" & how many can really do it? Can you?
I doubt it.
Thanks, Kirk
So like the other old dudes (I'm 57 so shut it), you are afraid someone is going to best you B&C scored bison with a long range shot.

That's what it's really about. Competitiveness. Bragging rights.

Yeah, I'm not into that.
 
It comes down to this folks...
Support something or don't. No matter what the situation is... it's pretty **** hard to change someones mind over the internet....
Never mind the fact that we are living in a VERY oppressive time in this nation with a "leader" that thinks he's a king. I guess I'm trying to say this: Shoot what you're comfortable shooting ethically.... for me, that's about 800 yards.... give or take on the conditions and the weapon in hand.
We are all the same that split second as the firing pin hits. We take souls. We defend. We hunt. We protect heritage and this Nation.
We all congregated here for one reason or another.
Personally, I wanted to learn the habits of LR shooters, in hopes of building something up to do a few matches with, maybe visit Camp Perry... who knows... What I loathe is the load shoppers and people who have 0 loading skills driving the snot out of rifles... and making the true handloader/hunter look like a bumbling idiot.

It comes down to the simple fact that we all need to THINK before our traps open up... and fingers get to the keyboard.
 
Someone will always see differently to our own views or what we do, that's just a fact of life.
What someone doesn't fully understand is often misunderstood.
That practice does make possible what some may not attempt or think is unethical.
People can and do make mistakes but hindsight is always 20/20.

Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century:
Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others;
Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected;
Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it;
Refusing to set aside trivial preferences;
Neglecting development and refinement of the mind;
Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do.

We must not say every mistake is a foolish one because from those mistakes is how we will prevail if you learn from those lessons.

As much as I learn, someone will always know more. There is always someone better prepared and more apt to do something better then another. But in hunting and the decision to shoot, should always be in the mind of the man behind the gun...... can I do this with the highest percentage of success to the best of my ability? If not the answer is simple, when you've done it enough to know that you can, you'll know what you can and can't do.

Those that pretend to show up prepared are only kidding themselves and will end up looking rather foolish thinking their ability to shoot something 500 yards away and yet never placed a round at that distance before? Years and years ago at the YO Ranch my guide Rick from Zimbabwe asked me how far I could shoot and after seeing me hit the steel out to 450 yards realized I wasn't just talking smack. I think more outfitters/guides should see for themselves just how far is too far for their clients. That way no animal goes away wounded just because a guy thinks he can?
 
The irony is that if Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone thought they could increase the effective range of their rifles they would Have very likely have been right at the forefrontlightbulb
 

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