Huntnful
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Frank Green is a wealth of knowledge and provides great info! Always watch and listen to his stuff!
Blue Wonder. The BEST bore cleaner??
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Frank Green is a wealth of knowledge and provides great info! Always watch and listen to his stuff!
Kiowa Cowboy
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Outstanding video thanks for sharing!
Bartlein hasn't looked at a handful of bad carbons sent in since late Sept, so their warranty process is a sham anyway, I clean with clr and mild abrasives every time. The frequency and intensity is key, only do it as needed. I've got some blue wonder gel coming, breaking in some new ace and hawkhill barrels, good time to test it out!
My experience also
I run bore tech a lot! In heavy copper it won't cut it. That's my only complaint with it. I have a 300wby that just melts copper in the barrel I think lol. I'm gonna try some of this blue stuff and see if it cuts it better than Montana copper killer.
Huntnful
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The KG copper remover works better than the Montana extreme and won't fume you out of the room lol. I switched to the KG and use a harder nylon brush and I just scrub that last 6" of the barrel aggressively. It's worked great also.
Montana will run you out of the room for sure lol
Why does one product work so well for one and not work for another? Could it be the hardness of the copper jacket used in their preferred bullet? Could it be velocity or heat cycles?
I am now extremely curious about this subject, and just asking for the discussion and forthcoming knowledge.
I am now extremely curious about this subject, and just asking for the discussion and forthcoming knowledge.
Huntnful
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Just touching base on here again. My dad's buddy brought over a gunwerks 300 PRC with 50+ shots since the last cleaning for me to mess with. I went to cleaning it with the blue wonder, and it did not clean up near as well as my benchmark barrel did. No idea why. It just maintained that darker tinge to it throughout that first 6-8" of the barrel 
. CLR didn't touch it either. Tried it after the blue wonder. Just being honest. Not sure what was up with it not wanting to come clean.
Like it's decent, but definitely not polished stainless looking like my last two barrels.
. CLR didn't touch it either. Tried it after the blue wonder. Just being honest. Not sure what was up with it not wanting to come clean. Like it's decent, but definitely not polished stainless looking like my last two barrels.
Seabeeken
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I test BW in several rifles and was disappointed. It works well outside the rifle for rust etc. I also tested Bore tech C4, CU2, Eliminator, KG-1, KG-12, Butches, Shooters Choice, and hundreds $ worth of cleaners. I also tested CLPs which I hate because after 22 years in the military, what they gave us just plain sucked and did nothing but make an oily mess. I tested Clenzoil, Adiga Armory, Prolix, and currently the new bore tech CLP. In the CLP realm, Adiga Armory, Prolix rose to the top BUT the new Bore Tech CLP is being run thru its paces currently it is impressing me. It found and removed surface rust and some carbon in a "clean" shotgun last night. I hope to try it on a rifle bore soon.Just touching base on here again. My dad's buddy brought over a gunwerks 300 PRC with 50+ shots since the last cleaning for me to mess with. I went to cleaning it with the blue wonder, and it did not clean up near as well as my benchmark barrel did. No idea why. It just maintained that darker tinge to it throughout that first 6-8" of the barrel
Like it's decent, but definitely not polished stainless looking like my last two barrels.
In the cleaner category, Bore Tech C4, Eliminator, and CU2 quickly rose to the top. I am currently testing them against Breakthrough Tech Carbon Pro and so far they are in a dead heat. With this said, there is always the hard packed bore carbon that just refuses to let go of the steel and that's where the abrasives come in. I'm always testing.
I should also add, dont fall for the "military grade" products. Its a marketing scam. They performed the worst in my testing.
Huntnful
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Good update!! I've been testing Thorro Clean lately as well. It works EXTREMELY well for carbon. I'm sure it has a light abrasive in it though, because it works "too good" lol. Doesn't do much to the copper though. Boretech copper remover works great.
I too have spent a lot on copper/carbon cleaners and am presently using Thorro Clean and am happy so far but always looking for the perfect/better copper/carbon cleaner.
Thuro clean on a used bronze bristle brush, will get it done, on the very worst cases of cooked on carbon.
Many of the chemicals are no better than Kerosine or Lemon Water.
Many of the chemicals are no better than Kerosine or Lemon Water.
CLR and thoroclean, all I use. Never any brushing unless the carbon ring is really bad. Just scrub barrel with a couple CLR patches on jag, let sit for 15 mins, run a few alcohol patches through to neutralize the clr. Then use a jag/patch with thoroclean. All that's left is light staining in the throat area. I don't like a bare metal scrub as it takes a bit to get back to my normal fouled velocity. If I leave the light staining color in the throat, it goes back to where it should be after 3-5 rounds.
