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Barrels, which manufacturer??

Lothar Walther is my choice, and I use them exclusively in all my rifles. They are hammerforged, of awfully hard steel, but keep up to all expectations quality wise. Perfectly manufactured they provide the customer with correct contour and rate of twist. Accuracy is outstanding, doesn't matter if handlapped or not. Due to extremely hard steel they never seem to wear out either ...
 
phorwath said:
I bought mine from Kirby. Ended up with the 10.5 twist instead of the 10 twist. And now you know Lilja made the barrel.

I didn't throw a stink about it. Unlike the stench emitted from your posts.

If I'd have purchased a cut rifled barrel, it would have been what we ordered. 10 twist. And I could have shot some bullets I'm now unable to.

I am an expert on that much of what happened. Are you more expert?
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Your problem is you went with Lija. And they are not the best button barrel maker. They have poor QC. I can tell you I have several button barrels on a few rifles all from Benchmark and they all shoot 1/4 groups with factory ammo. I will say this whether it's cut or button it's not going to make a difference. I own both cut and button barrels, both get the job done with great results. A the end of the day both cut and button barrels are more accurate, than we can shoot them.
 
Kmccord said:
It does sound like all of the manufacturer barrels are good, it probably comes down to the person who is doing the chambering of the barrel.
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I'd say they are all good with every once in awhile a dud produced I would suppose.

I'm impressed with the 3 PacNor barrels I've messed with. Two fitted and chambered by PacNor one by a noted smith. All shoot 1/2 MOA or less and zero copper fouling with three patches of BoreTech Eliminator or similar to clean.

I have an excaliber in 270 WSM that is on par with the PacNors.
 
I agree that a good is good regardless of manufacturing method.
But at least consider what each is good for, and about YOUR odds of success.
There are differences between a BR gun with a very heavy barrel -shooting for precision, and a hunting gun with a very light barrel -shooting for accuracy.
Both can have advantages in use, and disadvantages otherwise.

I have a 16.5lb BR LG that would kill game dead as dead gets at 1kyd, no problem. But it is in no way practical for this, and the barrel alone weighs ~9lbs.
I've considered rebuilding it for hunting, move the action over to a nice hunting stock, and screw a heavily turned/fluted/or wrapped ~4.5lb barrel on it.
For this, I would feel like my odds of keeping a shooter would better beginning with a cut rifled blank.

Some could say they have done otherwise with success, that's great. And I believe them. But I'm talking about MY odds, and I'm thinking about a muzzle opening with a lot of contouring, among other factors.
Well I can erase all concerns with cut rifled, so that's just how I would go here.
A krieger will shoot as good as a Broughton in any regard, they cost the same, yadda, yadda. It's really more reasoning than opinion.
 
Maxlab said:
Your problem is you went with Lija. And they are not the best button barrel maker. They have poor QC. I can tell you I have several button barrels on a few rifles all from Benchmark and they all shoot 1/4 groups with factory ammo. I will say this whether it's cut or button it's not going to make a difference. I own both cut and button barrels, both get the job done with great results. A the end of the day both cut and button barrels are more accurate, than we can shoot them.
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I went with what my gunsmith ordered. It happened to be Lilja. And my after the fact education taught me that the twist rate of button rifled barrels is less controlled than the twist rate of a cut rifled barrel.
If they both shoot equally well, and they both cost the same, I'll at least get the twist rate I ordered with a cut rifled barrel. And if I don't, no excuses along the lines that twist rates are inexact with button rifled barrels.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
Everyone doesnt agree on anything :) Luckily in this case, its science and you can research the process.
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I have researched it and found opinions from those in the business that say stress relieving is one of the results of the process.
 
All of the barrel makers listed here have all turned out very good barrels in terms of shooting accaccuracy.

It's sad much of what has gone on here is a kin to who has the biggest $@?!@$'. Actually unusual IMO of this forums members for the most part.

Here was how I saw it after researching the various barrel makng processes and talking to a number of the makers.

I see the lalgest effect we and any of tthe manufacturers of all the various parts and components have can in terms of its effect on fire bullet placement consistency (meaning the bullet when fired will have as close to the same poi) is consistency in all aspects of the part they produce. To me this means recievers man. hold to very tight tolerances in n all aspects not just in one individual reciever but also when comparing one reciever to another of the same model. For us reloaders that we get every loaded round as consistently as humanly possible the same as the next. The same with chambering and crowning by a Smith.

For barrel makers I made my choice in what are the tightest tolerance the different man processes can hold to. Bow much control do they have. How tight of tolerances is it possible le for that tech with the given machines for a given manf. type and it's repeatable consistency from one barrel to the next. Finally the skill and accepts le tolerances the actual people running the machines are willing to accept.

My conclusion came to in terms of the manf. process and even more importantly the machines used that cnc single point cut rifling seems to offer the most consistent repeatable tightest tolerances of the various manf. processes. This also gives the most configurable process as well. There is still a big part in the guys running things and possibly le variations in the batches of steel they get and what happens during stress relieving etc. Imo I think button rifling is part tech by it also quite a bit of almost art form to it i.e. a feel from years of experience and skill. It in the end to me it seemed the machines that say bartlien uses has the most capability of the tightest most repeatable tolerances.

To be very clear this does not mean any other top barrel manf can not make a absolute bunghole capaable barrel.
 
Stress does not just effect cold bore, it effects grouping ability as well. If you dont know what barrel you want, look at which barrels are consistently winning Benchrest or f-class matches.
 
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