Ballistic RF Binos vs Kestrel

I used the old gunworks BR2 for several years ant it worked great. Been using a Leica 3500 and a kestrel 5700AB for several years now and that's been a good combination. I have mile long range to shoot on so small corrections are significant. I've kept a watch on bino technology for years but still waiting for great optics and top shelf ballistic calculations in the same unit, and it has to range a minimum of a mile in challenging conditions. The Vectronix sounds promising but I'll need to hear reviews first. Got my elk at 1222 yards yesterday. Planning to go for a marmot at a mile next year. Furthest so far is a first shot marmot at 1402 yards, with the old BR2
 
This is a great question and I will answer it for you based on my experience in the field at matches and hunting. The kestrel is a neat little device I even bought one thinking i must have one. I soon realized I don't. If your ballistic solving Binos have environmental measuring devices incorporated you don't need one. I run with the zeiss vicotry RF and have some SIg 10k as well. I prefer the zeiss because of glass quality and consistency. Swarovski, Leica, Vortex, Vectronix…all have a version. Now here's the answer to your question and I will probably hurt some feelings. Don't buy a kesteral!! Waste of money!!! As you stated other wind meters exist. The best one for shooting is an orange bottle filled with baby powder that costs 3 bucks. Learn to gauge wind with your brain not a device. Having a wind meter initially will help hone this skill. I have not used a kesteral in a match since 2018. I have never used one hunting. We have engaged first round in pressure situations in team matches and out past 1K on antelope and yotes in the wind without one. You don't need it! Nobody does. We have the ability to judge wind direction and velocity and make a very accurate call as to how it will affect down range if we pay attention and train our minds to do it. I will also say this, in PRS the best shooters shoot together and they figure out wind before time starts. They watch each other shoot and where the bullet goes. When it is there turn all the figuring goes out the window and they hold what the dudes before them held. In NRL Hunter we are alone, blind stages and make our own wind calls. We don't know where the targets are to be able to make the final call before we see it. We can pay attention to the wind and know its direction and force going into a stage and some do use a kesteral. It really does not help and I will argue it hurts them in matches where there is extreme terrain and variable winds. To own a kesteral just for wind is dumb. Oh it does lead as well… that is dumb too. I own a mover and again using a kesteral to calculate lead is redundant and it doesn't calculate the speed of the moving target. You in put it. Learn to use your brain based on dope. Or here is a cheat, the lead for a 3mph moving target with 2800-2900 fps at 500 is gonna always be about 1.5 mils. Factor in wind and adjust accordingly. Oh the kestrel tells you target distance based on target size and reticle measurement. Yeah so does your phone or a simple chart and your brain if you spend a couple hours training it but you still need to know the size of what you are looking at for it to work. In short, do not buy a kestrel to use in the field. If you want to spend the money and use it as a training aid to hone your ability to call wind and lead in the field it's an expensive tool that works great for that. It also makes a great redundant (positive use of the word) tool to check your RF BC binos against. If you don't use it for that but instead as your crutch you are doing yourself as disfavor. Learn your dope by sending rounds down range and using what God gave us to program our minds. The payoff will be huge when you're faced with a situation like I was on my elk hunt this fall. Stoned him with the first shot at 740, walking left to right into a right to left wind shooting across a drainage. A second insurance round grounded him where he stood wobbling from the first one that blew apart his aorta. Had about 8 seconds to factor it in and would not have been comfortable breaking a shot if my dope and confidence relied on a battery powered piece of plastic stuffed in a pocket somewhere. Learn it feel it send it. One day you will thank me!
Well said. I agree with those thoughts. Thanks
 
Can someone explain why one would be better than the other and the difference between the two. Intended for hunting mostly. Can ballistic binos do everything a kestrel can, besides wind? If you have a cheap wind meter and ballistic binos would you still need kestrel? Looking to get one or the other but have little knowledge about both of their capabilities. Looking between the Leica Pro AB, Revics, and Vextors new binos. Thoughts on those as well?
Thanks for any insight.
I've been playing at the precision games for 16 years. They really help when it comes to automating your shot sequences. IMO, NRL Hunter being the best since you are on your own and not depending on the herd mentality. With that said i've moved through the different apps and ranging devices throughout this time frame. I honestly say the Leica Pro is the best of the best. I run a Kestrel 5700 Elite, training with both together and separately; **** happens. Were I to be forced to choose, i'd leave the Kestrel at home. It's quick and simple to enter wind values into the Leica Pro. Not as quick using them together. By itself I set the Pro's wind to full value 3 or 9 pm and 5 mph. It's easier for me to add or multiply than divide. Time permitting just before a shot i'll change the wind/direction value to the exact conditions. Keep at least one spare battery (bino and Kestrel) in your bino case at all times because you will need it, eventually. My last dozen deer and elk, 250 to 950 yds have all been lased, using the dope derived from the device in hand.
 
So lots of views on this here so is mine and I own the Leica Pro with AB. On some ranging Bino's the glass is truly sub par on the Leica's it's pretty darn good. Ranging capabilities are more than adequate for hunting scenarios out 1000 yards or so. To handle wind I load in the Binos a 10 mph full value wind which once you learn to read the wind in most cases is all you need to make a very quick wind call and have your ballistic solution. If you have the time you can pull out any wind meter and get the reading at your shoooting position which may or may not be all that helpful. My point being learning to read the wind and a 10 mph full value ballistic solution straight out of your binos is more helpful in most hunting scenarios where you are crunched for time.
That seems to be a great solution, input full 10 mph. In the Leica can you switch it quickly from right to left, etc? I'm learning here thank you.
 
I have both. To me they're different tools for different situations.

For hunting the binos are the way to go. Glass, find a critter, hit a button, dial, shoot. It's without a doubt the cleanest workflow I've found. You could do the same thing with BT rangefinder binos and a Kestrel, but that requires managing 2 devices and you'll drain the batteries faster.

For KD matches I prefer a Kestrel. I can sit at a bench and work out my dope card for the next stage without seeing the targets. If you shoot in a big open field the wind meter is handy. It's not particularly useful if you're shooting on a range with structure between you and the target that changes the effect of wind down range.
 
That seems to be a great solution, input full 10 mph. In the Leica can you switch it quickly from right to left, etc? I'm learning here thank you.
No that is not quick or really necessary to do. In a live hunting situation you have to make a wind call so you know the direction the wind is coming from ie right to left so you have already determined in this case you will dial or hold the value delivered by the bino's to the left.
 
I bought a full blown Kestrel for $800 bucks or so. Waste of money. As others have said, an RF bino with a ballistic solver is the only way to go. And I would argue that you can do wind in your head if you shoot the same location day in and day out, but change elevation, angle, etc and I will use my RF binos every time.

As for inputting Kestrel wind with a bluetooth connection, a waste of time. I use mirage when it is there, but if not, I do take a reading with my Kestrel. Typically I mulitply the Kestrel reading by 1.5 - unless you are on a KD range or something else pancake flat, you are shooting between hills or across canyons, etc and the wind will almost always be stronger. Plus, at LR, your bullet is much higher than you are with a Kestrel.
 
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