Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics

GS coats it's bullets and the results I saw when I shot them was that sd's were super low and consistent no matter the how well they shot. Unlike other experiences with other bullets. In that rifle (300 wby) I was using imr 4350 per their recommendations of using a faster powder than I though I should. I had a Crony and thought it was acting up when I started seeing the consistency in speed but the groups were not as good as other loads. Then when it came in to shoot way higher than I expected speedwise it would shoot cold bore to too hot to touch into a hole. I would have loved to try some of the new powders like Rl16 or stabil 6.5 etc.
So basically what you have observed is that the bullet coating improved speed SD and velocity. Is that correct? If so that is a very important observation. Please respond because I have other thoughts of practical significance.
 
I shot an email over to badlands looking for what they'd recommend for my 22" 1:8 twist 300PRC and Hawkins hunter max mag length of 3.770"( not sure I'd have mag room for the 205gr ) Unfortunately I just got a generic email with the same info as their websites bullet selection page. Also curious what the difference is between the BDII and SBDII. I browsed through dozens of pages on this thread and never found what I was looking for. Any insight is appreciated. Also, if you know what the length of the lead is in the chamber throat we could predict the OAL needed to seat the bullet 0.025" off the lands.

Thanks
The difference between the BD2 and SBD2 is essentially the ogival length which increases the BC and length of the bullet. That's why the SBD2 bullets need a tighter twist and in some instances a longer magazine especially with longer cases. They are better suited for magazine use in short/fat cases especially in medium length actions. Range and wind drift are significantly improved as a result of the high BC. If you want send me an email with your phone number and we can discuss further this issue.
 
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Thanks for the reply's, it just so happens badlands just followed up to their original email. "The Super Bulldozer line has longer ogives, and are longer overall length. They don't usually fit in standard magazines, or work in standard twist rates. Your build seems well suited for the Super Bulldozer with its tight twist and long magazine." Based on their information I'm going to try the 205gr SBII.

Is there a load data file compiled anywhere here for badlands bullets? I know hammer hunter and absolute hammer each have a thread that has folks data all neatly compiled.
You can use data published for similar weight bullets from any manual you want that has data for the case you have. I would caution anyone NOT TO START OUT WITH THE FASTEST LOAD LISTED. Seems obvious, but someone might try that and over pressure their gun. The prudent way is to take the first shot with a powder load close to the lowest charge listed and look for pressure signs such as primer flattening, heavy bolt lift or ejector marks. If no pressure signs are seen then increase the charge in 1 grain increments until some pressure signs are reached then back off 1-1.5 gr. Be sure bullet jump during this process is 0.025" off the lands.
 
I shot an email over to badlands looking for what they'd recommend for my 22" 1:8 twist 300PRC and Hawkins hunter max mag length of 3.770"( not sure I'd have mag room for the 205gr ) Unfortunately I just got a generic email with the same info as their websites bullet selection page. Also curious what the difference is between the BDII and SBDII. I browsed through dozens of pages on this thread and never found what I was looking for. Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks
In my 300 PRC the 195gr BD2 jams at 3.725" and I started load development at 3.675". In the same rifle the 205gr SBD2 jams at 3.888" and I started load development at 3.830". I have not settled on final loads yet, but I have found acceptable accuracy potential with both bullets so far.
If you want to avoid single feeding and also want to avoid seating bullets past the case donut then the 195gr is your best bet IMO. Others here have also had good luck with that bullet in their 300 PRC.
If you load the 205gr to 3.770" you will be 6% past the case donut according to GRT. If you are using a mandrel then maybe that isn't a big problem for you. 6% isn't so far past that I would expect to have a lot of powder compression problems like you might in some smaller cartridges. If you are willing to try both the 195gr and 205gr then I think it's worth grabbing some of both. That is what I did ;)
What powder are you planning on using? The first load I was working on was with N570, but given how I am almost out I had to switch to N565 for further testing. Both powders showed good accuracy potential. The only powder I would recommend avoiding in 300 PRC is Ramshot Magnum. I have found it has very low case fill in 300 PRC and very inconsistent ignition compared to other powders in the same rifle with same bullet.
 
In my 300 PRC the 195gr BD2 jams at 3.725" and I started load development at 3.675". In the same rifle the 205gr SBD2 jams at 3.888" and I started load development at 3.830". I have not settled on final loads yet, but I have found acceptable accuracy potential with both bullets so far.
If you want to avoid single feeding and also want to avoid seating bullets past the case donut then the 195gr is your best bet IMO. Others here have also had good luck with that bullet in their 300 PRC.
If you load the 205gr to 3.770" you will be 6% past the case donut according to GRT. If you are using a mandrel then maybe that isn't a big problem for you. 6% isn't so far past that I would expect to have a lot of powder compression problems like you might in some smaller cartridges. If you are willing to try both the 195gr and 205gr then I think it's worth grabbing some of both. That is what I did ;)
What powder are you planning on using? The first load I was working on was with N570, but given how I am almost out I had to switch to N565 for further testing. Both powders showed good accuracy potential. The only powder I would recommend avoiding in 300 PRC is Ramshot Magnum. I have found it has very low case fill in 300 PRC and very inconsistent ignition compared to other powders in the same rifle with same bullet.
This is excellent information, thank you! I will pick up both and see how it goes. I have a fair amount of Retumbo I plan on using. I figure before I invest in other powders I'll see how the Retumbo performs. Unfortunately I've got another 3-6 months before all my rifle components arrive. Chomping at the bit in the mean time.
 
You can use data published for similar weight bullets from any manual you want that has data for the case you have. I would caution anyone NOT TO START OUT WITH THE FASTEST LOAD LISTED. Seems obvious, but someone might try that and over pressure their gun. The prudent way is to take the first shot with a powder load close to the lowest charge listed and look for pressure signs such as primer flattening, heavy bolt lift or ejector marks. If no pressure signs are seen then increase the charge in 1 grain increments until some pressure signs are reached then back off 1-1.5 gr. Be sure bullet jump during this process is 0.025" off the lands.
Actually, i just learned one has been started in the Reloading section called Badlands BD2 loading data. You might find specific data there.
 
Actually, i just learned one has been started in the Reloading section called Badlands BD2 loading data. You might find specific data there.
Quite true. Turning out to be very popular. Thought I'd direct readers to my FB page, George Fournier, where I posted a video produced by one of our customers, Todd Walchli who owns Divide Gun Company. I don't think he is s member of the LRH forum. Very talented guy. Used to fly Helicopters in AK. The video shows the terminal effect on a 5x5 Elk of a 145 gr 7mm BD2 bullet at 400 yds launched from a 7SAUM at 3185 fps. The bullet impact is in slo-mo and one can see the bullet's shock wave as it travels towards the Elk. Notice, no vapor trail as condensing water uses up energy.
 
I got some more testing in over the last 2 days.
I wanted to test N565 with the 250 sbd-2 in my 338 nmi along with HBN coating them and test with RL26 as well as N565
I got some interesting results.
This rifle/case design likes rl26
Here's the results.
N565
Clean bore
Uncoated 250 sbd-2 seated 30 off
Peterson brass non-virgin annealed
neck turned to .014. 1 thou neck tension. Whidden custom dies
Federal 215 GM.
Started at 89 grains

89-2909
90-2926
91-2942
92-2942 faint ejector mark
93-3011

Cleaned the barrel to metal. No copper (green) in the cleaning patches. Then coated the barrel with a HBN slurry and let it dry. Then push a dry patch through it. Shoot 2 shots at reduced load as the regular load will over pressure.
Now ready to shoot the HBN coated bullets. First N565

91.5-2976 cold bore
92- 2969
92.5-3009
93-3000
93.5-3030 ejector mark

Rl26
91-3094
91.5-3095
92-3088
92.5-3101 faint ejector mark
93-3100 faint ejector mark


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I got some more testing in over the last 2 days.
I wanted to test N565 with the 250 sbd-2 in my 338 nmi along with HBN coating them and test with RL26 as well as N565
I got some interesting results.
This rifle/case design likes rl26
Here's the results.
N565
Clean bore
Uncoated 250 sbd-2 seated 30 off
Peterson brass non-virgin annealed
neck turned to .014. 1 thou neck tension. Whidden custom dies
Federal 215 GM.
Started at 89 grains

89-2909
90-2926
91-2942
92-2942 faint ejector mark
93-3011

Cleaned the barrel to metal. No copper (green) in the cleaning patches. Then coated the barrel with a HBN slurry and let it dry. Then push a dry patch through it. Shoot 2 shots at reduced load as the regular load will over pressure.
Now ready to shoot the HBN coated bullets. First N565

91.5-2976 cold bore
92- 2969
92.5-3009
93-3000
93.5-3030 ejector mark

Rl26
91-3094
91.5-3095
92-3088
92.5-3101 faint ejector mark
93-3100 faint ejector mark


View attachment 447187
What did the uncoated group look like with RL26?
 
I got some more testing in over the last 2 days.
I wanted to test N565 with the 250 sbd-2 in my 338 nmi along with HBN coating them and test with RL26 as well as N565
I got some interesting results.
This rifle/case design likes rl26
Here's the results.
N565
Clean bore
Uncoated 250 sbd-2 seated 30 off
Peterson brass non-virgin annealed
neck turned to .014. 1 thou neck tension. Whidden custom dies
Federal 215 GM.
Started at 89 grains

89-2909
90-2926
91-2942
92-2942 faint ejector mark
93-3011

Cleaned the barrel to metal. No copper (green) in the cleaning patches. Then coated the barrel with a HBN slurry and let it dry. Then push a dry patch through it. Shoot 2 shots at reduced load as the regular load will over pressure.
Now ready to shoot the HBN coated bullets. First N565

91.5-2976 cold bore
92- 2969
92.5-3009
93-3000
93.5-3030 ejector mark

Rl26
91-3094
91.5-3095
92-3088
92.5-3101 faint ejector mark
93-3100 faint ejector mark


View attachment 447187
Picked up decent gain. Question is, what's it worth the trouble to HBN coat the bullets?
 
I got some more testing in over the last 2 days.
I wanted to test N565 with the 250 sbd-2 in my 338 nmi along with HBN coating them and test with RL26 as well as N565
I got some interesting results.
This rifle/case design likes rl26
Here's the results.
N565
Clean bore
Uncoated 250 sbd-2 seated 30 off
Peterson brass non-virgin annealed
neck turned to .014. 1 thou neck tension. Whidden custom dies
Federal 215 GM.
Started at 89 grains

89-2909
90-2926
91-2942
92-2942 faint ejector mark
93-3011

Cleaned the barrel to metal. No copper (green) in the cleaning patches. Then coated the barrel with a HBN slurry and let it dry. Then push a dry patch through it. Shoot 2 shots at reduced load as the regular load will over pressure.
Now ready to shoot the HBN coated bullets. First N565

91.5-2976 cold bore
92- 2969
92.5-3009
93-3000
93.5-3030 ejector mark

Rl26
91-3094
91.5-3095
92-3088
92.5-3101 faint ejector mark
93-3100 faint ejector mark


View attachment 447187
Clearly the RL26 works
 
I got some more testing in over the last 2 days.
I wanted to test N565 with the 250 sbd-2 in my 338 nmi along with HBN coating them and test with RL26 as well as N565
I got some interesting results.
This rifle/case design likes rl26
Here's the results.
N565
Clean bore
Uncoated 250 sbd-2 seated 30 off
Peterson brass non-virgin annealed
neck turned to .014. 1 thou neck tension. Whidden custom dies
Federal 215 GM.
Started at 89 grains

89-2909
90-2926
91-2942
92-2942 faint ejector mark
93-3011

Cleaned the barrel to metal. No copper (green) in the cleaning patches. Then coated the barrel with a HBN slurry and let it dry. Then push a dry patch through it. Shoot 2 shots at reduced load as the regular load will over pressure.
Now ready to shoot the HBN coated bullets. First N565

91.5-2976 cold bore
92- 2969
92.5-3009
93-3000
93.5-3030 ejector mark

Rl26
91-3094
91.5-3095
92-3088
92.5-3101 faint ejector mark
93-3100 faint ejector mark


View attachment 447187
Clearly your best group is with 91-93 gr RL-26. I would do 91.5 gr as you are just shy of 3100 fps with no ejector mark.
 
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