Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics

Not bad on meat loss for hitting the shoulder. I haven't seen similar damage from the 196.5gr .308 and 145gr .284 Bulldozers. Perhaps the larger diameter tip on the .338 increases the rate the copper nose tip unfolds.

I think you need a bigger/wider animal for that gun/bullet :D What's that doe weigh soaking wet?

Thanks for sharing the details. All good information to catalog in the database.
 
Well total meat yield is normally 40-50 lbs on a mature doe with almost no meat loss and if your careful on your cuts, so that puts live weight around 120-150 + or -......A big buck can get ya 60 or a little more in meat, but still under 200 lbs. I know I can throw an entire full sized doe in the bed of a pickup by myself and I don't make too loud of dad noises ha ha!

Ya George said that while he recommends 1900 fps minimum for his current line (his higher bc line is still in testing) that the .338's, due to a larger hollow point, frontal area and aluminum tip, will likely expand at significantly lower velocity.

The decision to try them out on pronghorn was on purpose, the way I look at it, monos general performance issue is a lack of expansion or damage to the animal, because of their general tough construction. Penetration is rarely an issue with monolithic bullets. With pronghorn, you have 6-10" max on a broadside shot to do the damage needed to quickly take the animal down, and if they can do appropriate damage on such a small animal with such light resistance, then I have no worries for bigger critters. On an elk, I now feel pretty confident that even with a shot between ribs, the bullet will still expand well through the vitals, and I'm fairly certain, it will also punch out the opposite side. There should be at least 1 or two more pronghorn, my deer, and my elk taken this year with these bullets, so I should have a decent test group by November!
 
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There seems to have been rising interest in these bullets, but information is spread out and somewhat limited, so hopefully this thread will help consolidate information.

I would like to keep this thread somewhat organized, accurate, and to the point. If you have first hand experience please share it! If you want to tell us why we should just use brand x, please just save your time.

I have personally loaded two of their bullets so far. The 128 Bulldozer, in a .270 Sherman, and the 270 Super Bulldozer, in a .338 Norma Mag. From my experience with these two bullets, they do seem to reach max pressure with a lower powder charge compared to typical lead core bullets. Accuracy has been very good and easy to achieve. As far as animals taken, I have not taken anything with the 270 grain .338, though this year I will be using them. My cousin has managed to take two animals with the 128, one 6x6 bull and one California blacktail. The blacktail was hit through the shoulder on a broadside shot at around 75 yards, and made a death run 50 yards down a steep hill, leaving a significant blood trail, and piled up against a tree. The bull elk dropped dead in his tracks on the side of a very steep hill, the shot was quartering away up hill as the bull was turning to run, around 100 yards away. It entered behind the shoulder, and ended up under the hide on the neck on the off side, after penetrating around 2 foot of heavy elk. When the bull was processed, no heavy bone or spine was hit, the bullet passed just under the spine, but again, the bull dropped dead in his tracks. Thus far, terminal performance seems good, but we have no experience with extended 500+ yard shots. I should be changing that mid August....

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.338 cal 270 grain Super Bull Dozer

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Here are the results from a 630 yard ladder test done with the 270 SBD from my .338 Norma mag. 88.9 grains was my ending charge I went with, around 2830-2840 from my 24" barrel.

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Here is the bullet recovered from the bull in the following photos. It appears to have performed in a similar fashion to the hammer type projectiles, loosing the front section causing more damage, and the remaining shank penetrating deeply. It is stated that this will happen at close range impacts, though on lower velocity impacts, the petals will remain on the bullet and expand as typically expected.

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And here is the California Blacktail. My cousin did not take any photos of the damage, but said the lungs were the typical bloody mess, and there was very little meat damage.

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And a photo of the short and heavy blood trail.


This is only a very small sample of animals taken and bullets tested, but hopefully this thread will, over time, expand the knowledge base on these projectiles.

In talking with George, he is redesigning all of his bullets to have a higher bc. He has already done it with the next bullet I plan to test in my Wife's rifle once it is finished, a 145 grain 7mm bullet with a G1 bc of .620, or a G7 around .307. On their site, it is listed to have a .520 G1 bc, but there is a different model number for the new design and higher tested bc.

In addition, his prototypes with improved bc's are shaping up to be quite impressive. He sent some of his .338 cal 265 grain prototype solids to another long range shooter I know, and running them at 3185 fps from a 9 twist, has been using a G7 bc of .475 out to 3560 yards. The 270 Super Bulldozer, once redesigned, should have a very similar bc, according to George. This would put it in a different class than any other .338 hunting bullet, to my knowledge. Full information on the redesigned bullets should be available at shot show this year.

I will outline some of the kills that I have been told about by other members on here, I will not go into great detail though as they are not my kills, if they wish to comment further I will let them do so. These include a Kodiak brown bear taken at 50 yards with the .338 275 bulldozer, the .308 cal 196.5 grain used to take a dall ram at 225 yards, a bull caribou at 125 yards, a small grizzly at 135 yards, and a mountain goat at 525 yards, and the 145 .284 cal to take a dall sheep at 205 yards. No complaints on terminal performance, with good comments on the lack of meat damage, and also state that advertised bc's have all been relatively close to observed bc's, and all stated that these bullets do tend to pressure up with lower charges than lead core projectiles, though max speed usually isn't hindered a significant amount.

Alright, that is about all I got for now. Anyone else, please feel free to add your experiences with these bullets, and remember, photos make everything better!!

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Thank you for sharing this sir. Much appreciated
 
Thank you for sharing this sir. Much appreciated
My pleasure! I hope this thread and a couple others like it end up being a good resource for people looking for information on these line of bullets. It's always a gamble when something new comes out, especially when there are claims of achievements that have not yet been done. With my minimal experience so far, they are slowly being validated.
 
My pleasure! I hope this thread and a couple others like it end up being a good resource for people looking for information on these line of bullets. It's always a gamble when something new comes out, especially when there are claims of achievements that have not yet been done. With my minimal experience so far, they are slowly being validated.
Yes sir I agree. This has probably been one of the best threads I've been on. It will take some time to get data, but it will be worth it.
 
I was hoping to try out the 145 BDG2 in my 7 Max in Wyoming in a few weeks but I don't think I'll have the rifle built in time at this point. Maybe by my elk Hunt, blacktail Hunt and whitetail hunt. Lol I'll update as well.

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Thank you sir.
 
I loaded the 143 hammers for a buddy that lives in California and is required to use copper. They are good shooting bullets for sure, but I would have tried the 145 bulldozers with an advertised .620 bc if he had the twist for them. But with a 9.25 twist, and the type of hunting he does, the hammer seemed like the right choice. Going 3240 fps with H4831sc. In all the other 7 mags, we usually use 180 Bergers. As you said, they just work, and with a 24"+ barrel, good loads are usually found at 2900 fps or better. In one specific rifle using rl26 and and hbn coated 180's, we are running them at 3050 with a 26" tube.

What's the twist on your 338NM? I've got both an 8 twist and a 9.3 twist 338LM (26" barrel on both), so looking for an appropriate weight bullet that will fit a CIP length (3.75" absolute max COAL) magazine.

240gr SBD are on the way for me to develop. Not sure if the 270's would be appropriate for a max OAL of 3.72" out of a 2.714" case.

Eventually I'd like to try the ELR target bullets too (the ones with a claimed 1.01 G1 BC), but would probably end up single loading them due to OAL.
 
What's the twist on your 338NM? I've got both an 8 twist and a 9.3 twist 338LM (26" barrel on both), so looking for an appropriate weight bullet that will fit a CIP length (3.75" absolute max COAL) magazine.

240gr SBD are on the way for me to develop. Not sure if the 270's would be appropriate for a max OAL of 3.72" out of a 2.714" case.

Eventually I'd like to try the ELR target bullets too (the ones with a claimed 1.01 G1 BC), but would probably end up single loading them due to OAL.
I have a 9 twist, which is said to be the minimum. Your 8 twist would work great with the 270's as far as stabilization, but OAL may be an issue. I have a 3.850" mag box, and my OAL is 3.780" at .050" off, on the lands would put it 3.830", but this is also in a Norma, not a Lapua. They seemed pretty insensitive to seating however, if you had a long jump they might work at 3.740", but I would definitely try the 240's first. When I ran ballistics, on paper the 240 was pretty close to the 270, with a little more wind drift and less energy but also less drop. It would be scootin out of a Lapua too
 
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