Backup handgun for surprise close hunting situations.

[VLD Pilot]

Unless you are in a state with griz I would feel under gunned with a 10mm. Even then I am not sure I would have a problem taking it as my backup.

Not sure there's anything that will prepare you for an attack by a grizzly bear. I know that I can put shots on target many many times more often with my 10 mm than I can with a big bore revolver. Since I have 20 of them in my magazine that gives me many more chances of making it out alive. I'd rather be lucky than good but I don't believe I'm lucky enough to put enough rounds an angry grizzly bear with a 44 mag to stop an attack. Not sure I can do that with a 10 mm either but I'll feel a lot more confident with it in my hand. For me confidence Trump's big bore energy

 

[KyCarl]

I switched to a 25# flat wound spring in my Kimber 10MM and shoot a smokin hot 200 Gr. Cast bullet. I am pretty confident in it.

 

[VLD Pilot]

I switched to a 25# flat wound spring in my Kimber 10MM and shoot a smokin hot 200 Gr. Cast bullet. I am pretty confident in it.

Sounds wicked.

 

[KyCarl]

I liked mine so much I just bought another one from the classifieds here.
The exact same pistol just a higher SN.!

 

[VLD Pilot]

I liked mine so much I just bought another one from the classifieds here.
The exact same pistol just a higher SN.!

Backup to a backup !!!

 

[KyCarl]

Most .45's have about 475-495 foot Lbs. of energy with 230 ball. My 10 MM load works out to almost 750 Ft.pounds? I have all my .45's in the safe and carry the 10 every day.

 

[VLD Pilot]

Most .45's have about 475-495 foot Lbs. of energy with 230 ball. My 10 MM load works out to almost 750 Ft.pounds? I have all my .45's in the safe and carry the 10 every day.

Boy it sure is hard to beat the 45 for two legged bad guys. When that bullet opens up into an ashtray size projectile after entering a body it rarely exits.

 

[del2les]

Most .45's have about 475-495 foot Lbs. of energy with 230 ball. My 10 MM load works out to almost 750 Ft.pounds? I have all my .45's in the safe and carry the 10 every day.

Yes, but changing a steel framed 1911 springs to a 28# set and loading with Starline 45 Super brass yields 700+ ft/lbs with ease, and one can still use standard 45ACP or +P loads. Or if one does not reload, Buffalo Bore, Underwood and others have factory 45Super loads in the same energy range and even loads with 255 cast FN's.

I do like the 10mm loads with hardcast heavies, and I believe either one will get the job done.

 

[VLD Pilot]

Yes, but changing a steel framed 1911 springs to a 28# set and loading with Starline 45 Super brass yields 700+ ft/lbs with ease, and one can still use standard 45ACP or +P loads. Or if one does not reload, Buffalo Bore, Underwood and others have factory 45Super loads in the same energy range and even loads with 255 cast FN's.

I do like the 10mm loads with hardcast heavies, and I believe either one will get the job done.

Can you get the brass to eject with that 28# spring using 45 acp standard loads ?

 

[del2les]

Can you get the brass to eject with that 28# spring using 45 acp standard loads ?

Yep, no issues, unless it is some of the low end bulk target stuff.

My old Kimber Custom eats my 200gr SWC's at 900fps just fine, and the 230FMJ at 850-875 work well.

 

[VLD Pilot]

I think if I wanted more than a 10mm has to offer in an auto platform, I'd convert my G21 or a 1911 to the .460 Rowland. Very simple conversion for around 400.00. Pricy I know, which is why for 100.00 plus a heavier guide spring, I stuck with a 10mm. It's the next step up from a 10 in an auto

 

[entoptics]

Most .45's have about 475-495 foot Lbs. of energy with 230 ball. My 10 MM load works out to almost 750 Ft.pounds? I have all my .45's in the safe and carry the 10 every day.

475 ftlbs is 965 fps. That's well into +P territory in a 5" barrel. 230 ball is generally closer to 850 fps, and 370 ftlbs.

Yes, but changing a steel framed 1911 springs to a 28# set and loading with Starline 45 Super brass yields 700+ ft/lbs with ease, and one can still use standard 45ACP or +P loads...

I don't have experience with the 45 SUPER, but that seems optimistic based on the Oracle of Google. The only stuff I saw approaching 700 ftlbs was with light bullets. The 255 Buffalo Bore stuff is quoted at 654 ftlbs.

Also, to get the sectional density of a 200 gr 10mm, you need to be upwards of 275 gr in a 45.

I love my 1911, but I don't think 45 caliber in a shorty case can compete with 10 mm in terms of terminal performance. YMMV.

 

[del2les]

I think if I wanted more than a 10mm has to offer in an auto platform, I'd convert my G21 or a 1911 to the .460 Rowland. Very simple conversion for around 400.00. Pricy I know, which is why for 100.00 plus a heavier guide spring, I stuck with a 10mm. It's the next step up from a 10 in an auto

A couple of decades ago, I almost went to the 460 Rowland, but after some thought, I decided to convert one of the Kimbers to the 45Super. A few bucks for the Wolff spring set and bought 500pcs of Starline Super brass, and after a couple of years, I decided to add a simple comp that helps with muzzle flip and reduces time for followup shots.

 

[del2les]

475 ftlbs is 965 fps. That's well into +P territory in a 5" barrel. 230 ball is generally closer to 850 fps, and 370 ftlbs.


I don't have experience with the 45 SUPER, but that seems optimistic based on the Oracle of Google. The only stuff I saw approaching 700 ftlbs was with light bullets. The 255 Buffalo Bore stuff is quoted at 654 ftlbs.

Also, to get the sectional density of a 200 gr 10mm, you need to be upwards of 275 gr in a 45.

I love my 1911, but I don't think 45 caliber in a shorty case can compete with 10 mm in terms of terminal performance. YMMV.

I am not sure were you are getting your info, but my 230 cast RFN can be driven well over 1,200fps, but I keep them at the 1,200 mark, so that is 735ft/lbs.