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Are the prices ever coming down on components?!
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Wolf76
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This is very true. For every action there's an opposite but equal reaction. Inflation has increased 2-4X more than wages. This leads to a forced change in consumer spending. Non necessities fall further down the list. Rising mortgage rates will have perhaps the greatest overall negative effect. Mark my words..watch the domino effect starting with housing.
As demand dwindles, supply increases, then prices come down.
My suggestion is like most here....stop buying at inflated rates or buy the bare minimum. I'm shooting about 5% of my normal rate and I have supplies.
"The only thing constant is change"
misterc01
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So let's see - COVID-19 ---> Supply Chain issues, Workers out, staff limited or working from home, no one at the warehaouse on a daily basis to ship, truckers out. Then let;s add in Materials shortage due to COVID lack of workers, etc. Then shipping issues. Add in few IMHO stupid government policies. We need to add in a few million new shooter and gee - I wonder why there are ammo/component shortages? Then we need to look at very short course in economic theory, specifically supply and demand: Supply goes down, demand goes up, and Ipso Facto: Prices go up: Starting at the souce of the component, through manufacturer and lastly the local shop prices. And as pointed out: Look back to pre-Januaru 2020 gas prices, then a new administration with different polices causing an oil supply shortage, and then look at todays gas prices, or food price, or (fill-in-the blamk) prices.
Stephen Orleski
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There are too many factors to list, the bottom line is keep stacking whatever you need when you can find it. You may get less and it may take you longer to accumulate the supplies, it is better to have now than to try to buy when the real panic buying happens, and this is not only reloading/ammo supplies, this goes for soap, food, toilet paper, seeds, fertilizer, fuel. This MF is going down, either by WW3 or full on economic collapse and famine. These NWO folks are looking to reduce the population.. just like it says on the georgia guidestones
Truth. Most of Vista Outdoor's & Olin's primer production is going to their own boxed ammo. They make more $$$ than selling the primers by themselves.
April 8, 20 19 Vista's share price was $8.06. Today it's $35.89. In 2019 their net operating income was minus $648 million. 2021 it was $266 million - a $914 million swing. IOW, Vista is making a s**t ton. Olin is likely similar. They - and their shareholders - have little to complain about. They're maximizing their ROI; no need to expand production capacity when they can run existing facilities three shifts and post these profits.
Supply chain and raw material issues? Yep. Labor shortages? Less likely today than mid 2020, imo.
Ammuntion makers are meeting demand. Literally millions of new gun owners. Worry over the state of our society; the same worry that drove gun sales, is still driving ammo sales. Increased spending by the Federal gubmint drives inflation. More dollars chasing product plus rising production costs, partly caused by world events, partly by the same lowered value of our currency.
It ain't a conspiracy; it's reality. Will prices come down? Probably, eventually, but not to where they were a few years ago. Mid-term elections and 2024 present opportunities for political course correcton but even should R's retake Congress, prices will take a couple of years to stabilze / decrease.
Higher raw material costs and inflated currency are part of our existence for the near future. While I'd rather have them than a world-wide depression - or war - I think humanity, collectively has done this to ourselves.
We're less stupid than blind to the past.
Sure am glad I stopped buying Amazon stock in October 2002 when it went up to $21. One year earlier October 2001 it was much more reasonable at $7. If everyone would have stopped buying it… or wished it back to $7 we all could have gotten a good deal. Wonder where it will be 20 years later in October 2022? On 7/13/2021 it was $3773. Today it's down $30 to $3125… may be on sale!
Just dropped under1000 LR primers, I'm getting nervous.
Economy killing Inflation is a component of one of the eight pillars (healthcare, poverty, debt, dis-armament of populace....aka gun control, education, welfare, religion, class warfare) for turning a country into Communism by way of Socialism......aka the Libturd's INSURECTION against America. And, as long as customers pay the price, companies will continue to charge the highest prices possible. While ammo CEOs are not your AMMO FAIRIES, they"may" be Patriots, they are definitely capitalists. However, we have enough guns. Hoard ammo at any price. It's gonna be a TRE...Target Rich Environment when the ATF comes No-Knock Knockin'. My dog has already packed his bone, bowl, toys and moved out. Offered to buy him a Level IV body armor and Kevlar helmet. But, NO. Great dog, but no gusto. He ain't ever gonna' be a SEAL dog. .Fear saving America via voting ain't gonna happen. Appears that ship has already sailed as of November, 2020, ain't commin' back for you.
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JW74
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Well no kidding! That was 28 years ago!
It would be like living in 1987 and posting a catalog picture from 1959. lol
Primer makers are making way more money than they ever have made and I think they like it.I hate to say it but
"This may be the new normal",I hope and pray I'm wrong.
"This may be the new normal",I hope and pray I'm wrong.
I'm not optimistic about Ukraine stabilizing. Events are driven by a delusional Russian demagogue willing to sacrifice the lives and fortunes of his own citizens. We can't count on rational outcomes.
Covid is likely to be part of our existence for decades. I think it's unlikely to have the impact it had initially; humanity has coped with it rapidly compared to previous pandemics. But it will effect society and the economy for years if not decades, probably to a lessening degree over time.
I'm in my sorta-early seventies. I don't expect a return to 2018 prices in my lifetime, even if I'm around another 20 years. .
In 1979 I grossed $19K working retail in the DFW, TX area. Behind-the-counter inside sales, not management. That's almost $69.3K in Feb 2022. Know anybody grossing $69K in retail today? Maybe in NYC, Miami or other high cost-of-living areas - but I doubt even there.
The world is truly a different place. Some of the changes are for the better. Many aren't.
We vote for people who are supposed to represent us citizens. Unfortunately, they don't. They only represent their own ideals or align with political party lines. The last two years pretty much destroyed our economy and what industry we had left (try to find American made products). During the Obama administration, the last lead mine and smelter had to shut down because they could not economically abide with EPA regulations. Well, guess what guys, lead is a major part of the shooting industry. All lead now has to be imported, as well as a lot of our powders. So now we have manufacturing, transportation, storage, and added tariffs and taxes. And now the powers to be have limited our access to fuel which raised the price to (us) consumers. So lead which is used to make primers and bullets cost more manufacture plus fuel prices increased 30%. Costs are passed on the consumer. Couple that with the law of supply and demand. Demand has outpaced supply. So no one has to put supplies on sale. Hoarding only increases inflation. Stocking up should have been done when prices were low. Larry Potterfield sure cost me a lot of money back in the 80's and 90's. They sold a lot in "bulk". I was able to amass probably life time supplies of bullets and brass. Granted they aren't state of the art now, today, but they still work. I wasn't hoarding, I was stocking up. I don't think that prices will ever return to what they were even ten years ago. I only wish that I had stocked up on large pistol primers. My 9mm's and 40 S&W's definitely get more use than my 10mm and .45ACP and i've cut back on them to conserve my stocks. So don't over buy. Only purchase what you need. Don't hoard. Let supply catch up with demand. Then maybe prices will come down (some).
Good luck!
Good luck!
Prices will never come down on anything as long as people keep paying these high prices. I've quit building my new home, after I used up all the materials I had purchased before March of 2020, due to quadrupling prices on materials. I have it closed in, without interior walls, because 2x4's went from $1.32ea to over $8. 15/32 OSB from $9 to $47. Other materials followed along with their prices.
I have a budget for building that I can't exceed so, unless prices drop, I'll never finish it and live the rest of my life in a 45ft trailer home.
I keep reading about all these new free programs, some ppl are getting free money for gas, some ppl are getting free cell phones and so on….. maybe Brandon will come up with a "Free Primers" program for shooters…
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