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Are high powered scopes really necessary for hunting?

Even the nxs suffers sometimes, I know there are much better scopes that don't but reality is not everyone can afford a $3000 optic give or take to get the best of everything. I'm making an observation but you bet your backside they all still function and perform for what I need them for.
None of mine have that problem. If they can't be crystal clear from X-XX then I return them. Makes no sense to keep something that does not work. Would we do that with a spotter?
 
All of my scopes are in the 4-30x range. Whether it is a NF, Zeiss, Sightron or Swarovski, I like having more magnification just in case I NEED it. It's nice to have options, plus I'm getting older and my vision isn't as good as it used to be. That being said, the last 3 animals I've harvested, my optics were on the lowest setting. So everything was 4-6x power range. My binos are 10x Leica's and I don't always have my spotting scope with me, so it's nice to dial up the scope to max power to see more detail.
 
I probably had half a dozen spotting scopes. Let my son-in-law take his pick and sold the rest. I use 7X binoculars for finding game. There's no way a bino can help me when I need more than 7X.

A few years ago I decided to "trophy" hunt. I wanted a blacktail with four on each side wider and taller than the ears. It was early morning. I found a candidate in the binos and could immediately tell the horns were wider and taller than the ears. The binos dropped to their place on my chest. I turned up the z5 Swarovski till I verified the points and fired. Then I looked at the magnification setting: 12X. Another time I found a buck, but could not verify it was legal. I slowly turned up the magnification. When I verified, I fired. Then I checked the setting: 10X. Variables are really nice.
 
My question to those of you with the big 56-60mm objectives, at say 6-25X or more is why do you think you need that much power?

Dave, I read Chuck Yeagers autobiography, and the man had phenomenal vision. Unfortunately, not all of us are equally blessed.... Its the same with sniper selection in any branch of the military and special forces in particular. If you dont have absolutely superb vision, you wont even clear the medical evaluation, let alone any of the training. The physical attributes of members of elite forces vs the general population is just not a valid comparison. Consider also the age of those in the special forces, how many on active duty that are past mid 30's and 40's ? Whats the median age of posters on this forum ?

I definitely love my 3-12x42 scopes and my 4-16x50 Viper FFP scopes even more. I have one 6-24x50 Viper FFP and I would say that the optical quality of that scope does not support more than 20x magnification. More magnification is more demanding of the quality of the optics and it is not a pleasing result when that quality is lacking. I have not yet had the opportunity to shoot much beyond 400 yards yet, I am in Michigan. I'm shooting at coyotes that are remarkably well camouflaged in grass that is often taller than they are. Coyotes are also not the biggest critters you have ever seen, and then the time that one tends to see them is pre-dawn, just as the sky starts lightening. So very low light levels and minimal contrast. We were prohibited from hunting predators at night with centerfire rifles until just a few years ago, so night hunting was with a 22mag and getting close enough for a lethal shot without the dogs hearing or winding you was a major PIA.... Hence sniping them with my 243 at the very start of twilight.

If I could have afforded a larger and higher quality objective for better light gathering, I probably would have, but for the range at which I shoot, 16x is enough magnification. I can see why 5-20 may be a very popular magnification range for people shooting at larger game at longer distances, especially in adverse light.
 
Dave, I read Chuck Yeagers autobiography, and the man had phenomenal vision. Unfortunately, not all of us are equally blessed.... Its the same with sniper selection in any branch of the military and special forces in particular. If you dont have absolutely superb vision, you wont even clear the medical evaluation, let alone any of the training. The physical attributes of members of elite forces vs the general population is just not a valid comparison. Consider also the age of those in the special forces, how many on active duty that are past mid 30's and 40's ? Whats the median age of posters on this forum ?

I definitely love my 3-12x42 scopes and my 4-16x50 Viper FFP scopes even more. I have one 6-24x50 Viper FFP and I would say that the optical quality of that scope does not support more than 20x magnification. More magnification is more demanding of the quality of the optics and it is not a pleasing result when that quality is lacking. I have not yet had the opportunity to shoot much beyond 400 yards yet, I am in Michigan. I'm shooting at coyotes that are remarkably well camouflaged in grass that is often taller than they are. Coyotes are also not the biggest critters you have ever seen, and then the time that one tends to see them is pre-dawn, just as the sky starts lightening. So very low light levels and minimal contrast. We were prohibited from hunting predators at night with centerfire rifles until just a few years ago, so night hunting was with a 22mag and getting close enough for a lethal shot without the dogs hearing or winding you was a major PIA.... Hence sniping them with my 243 at the very start of twilight.

If I could have afforded a larger and higher quality objective for better light gathering, I probably would have, but for the range at which I shoot, 16x is enough magnification. I can see why 5-20 may be a very popular magnification range for people shooting at larger game at longer distances, especially in adverse light.

Last I checked it had to be correctable to 20/20 and get a pass/pass on depth and color.

I wouldn't consider those medical standards that high.

Any one that you know "said so" I'd be willing to ask for their vb.socom.mil address.
 
Last I checked it had to be correctable to 20/20 and get a pass/pass on depth and color.

I wouldn't consider those medical standards that high.

Any one that you know "said so" I'd be willing to ask for their vb.socom.mil address.

I forgot you a$$holes even get your own emails...too good for the mil.mil email, eh?! ;):):D
 
Last I checked it had to be correctable to 20/20 and get a pass/pass on depth and color.

I wouldn't consider those medical standards that high.

Any one that you know "said so" I'd be willing to ask for their vb.socom.mil address.

I still don't believe I would pass that requirement now, nor when I was 19. I can only speak for myself.

I was a combat engineer in the SADF in 86-87, they never checked my vision, nor did they care that I couldn't see targets at 200 yards, let alone hit them. They for sure didn't offer to get me a pair of glasses... They figured that so long as I could deal with what was at my feet, or within reach of my mine detector, I was good to go...... If I had a way to put any kind of scope or red dot on my service rifle, I would have done it, but the galils that we carried had no feature for attaching optics of any kind. Officers who may be issued starlight scopes had a mount fitted to the receiver by a unit technician, but that didn't extend to NCO's in the engineering corps.....

Edit: I did some google searching and found this https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-medical-standards-for-enlistment-and-commission-3354022 and it contains this section:
Current near visual acuity of any degree that does not correct to 20/40 in the better eye (ICD 367.1 to 367.32). Current refractive error (hyperopia (ICD 367.0), myopia (ICD 367.1), astigmatism (ICD 367.2x)), in excess of -8.00 or +8.00 diopters spherical equivalent or astigmatism in excess of 3.00 diopters.
So it seems there are limits to the amount of correction allowed, especially on astigmatism.
 
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My top end at this point is 16x, which I feel is plenty for hunting out as far as I would shoot at this point, certainly at game. So far the most zoom I have used to shoot big game is about 6x, and most often 4x. Don't get me wrong, I do see a point to the higher magnifications. Being able to dial up to 25x when shooting my brother's rifle at 1300 yards or so is really useful, and if I ever build something that can shoot as far as he does I will probably be getting something with that kind of range on it, but for now I don't see a reason for me to do it. With a good rifle and a good scope, I feel 16x should at least get me to 1000.
 
Last I checked it had to be correctable to 20/20 and get a pass/pass on depth and color.

I wouldn't consider those medical standards that high.

Any one that you know "said so" I'd be willing to ask for their vb.socom.mil address.
IDK when you went in however when I went through RIP I tore the skin off my nipples from the ruck run. Now Women have passed Ranger school. Your not convincing me that selection is what it was back in the day. A woman would have been far worse off than myself and every other guy I knew. My vision was 20/5 left 20/10 right. No one was in class with corrected vision back then
Thank you for your service!!
 
To the OP being in the optics field you would have an understanding of resolution. Given the same quality optical system a larger Objective lense will have higher resolution. When you start comparing some of the tier 1 optics the resolving attributes are only optimized with more magnification. Quite important when the military sniper does his primary job which is observe his AO. Being able to see that partially hidden bad guy in a dark shadow or half buried wire is vital to keeping his fellow soldiers sailers or Marines out of an ambush situation.
There is a member here that builds rifles and he shot a varmint at I believe 2300 yds with the NSX 3-15X. So obviously you need to be able to shoot as well as you can see. Seeing an animal where you expect to see them is a bit different than seeing something your not supposed to in an area you don't expect to see something
 
Military has a different requirement than I do..a dead wounded or scared combatant is all good to the military way of thinking...so an optic that will do the job, be reliable not too heavy come in at a certain price point is good... oh and if they miss they can call in an air or artillery strike...

I want my game animal to be dead immediately or shortly thereafter...so a little more magnification and a larger objective lens that will give me the exit pupil I need to see well under the lighting conditions at the time are all good things and the ability to actually see where I want my bullet to hit ..so my scope is heavier and longer and the objective bell is bigger...the extra power and light gathering ability may allow me to see that the 1 animal I am looking at is actually 2 standing side by side...lower powers at extended ranges may not have enough resolution to make the distinction...in one day of hunting I can go from so bright the glare is giving one a headache to so dark and overcast..you are thinking about calling it an early day...

I mean I can use a quality 10x42 scope and make it work out to 1100 yards or I can have a 5-25 x 50 and need not worry about extending my range or the lack of light gathering ability at the higher settings....
 
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IDK when you went in however when I went through RIP I tore the skin off my nipples from the ruck run. Now Women have passed Ranger school. Your not convincing me that selection is what it was back in the day. A woman would have been far worse off than myself and every other guy I knew. My vision was 20/5 left 20/10 right. No one was in class with corrected vision back then
Thank you for your service!!

That's because nobody cares about RIP. Every POG in the world can attend as a "leadership course"

These are pretty much the same vision requirements in the Navy teams as well as Raiders. Plus the color and depth. I don't make the standards, I'm just regurgitating them. The Air Force is on their own program like always.
 

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Military has a different requirement than I do..a dead wounded or scared combatant is all good to the military way of thinking...so an optic that will do the job, be reliable not too heavy come in at a certain price point is good... oh and if they miss they can call in an air or artillery strike...

I want my game animal to be dead immediately or shortly thereafter...so a little more magnification and a larger objective lens that will give me the exit pupil I need to see well under the lighting conditions at the time are all good things and the ability to actually see where I want my bullet to hit ..so my scope is heavier and longer and the objective bell is bigger...the extra power and light gathering ability may allow me to see that the 1 animal I am looking at is actually 2 standing side by side...lower powers at extended ranges may not have enough resolution to make the distinction...in one day of hunting I can go from so bright the glare is giving one a headache to so dark and overcast..you are thinking about calling it an early day...

I mean I can use a quality 10x42 scope and make it work out to 1100 yards or I can have a 5-25 x 50 and need not worry about extending my range or the lack of light gathering ability at the higher settings....
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