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are carbon fiber barrels the wave of the future?

Didn't someone release a titanium barrel? Would it be possible to wrap one in carbon fiber in the same contour as the CM or stainless currently being used? How much weight can be shed with titanium versus either steel counterpart?

Would titanium offer longer barrel life?

If so, that has to be hard to manufacture, would tooling life be shorter?

Reading thru various threads here is like YouTube for me, I find myself reading about twist, rifling and weights and end up in a rabbit hole looking at boat ramp follies.
Ok my 2 cents worth
Didn't someone release a titanium barrel? Would it be possible to wrap one in carbon fiber in the same contour as the CM or stainless currently being used? How much weight can be shed with titanium versus either steel counterpart?

Would titanium offer longer barrel life?

If so, that has to be hard to manufacture, would tooling life be shorter?

Reading thru various threads here is like YouTube for me, I find myself reading about twist, rifling and weights and end up in a rabbit hole looking at boat ramp follies.

Having worked in research in the UK 6 1/2 years on the development of carbon fibre this is my take on CF barrels
Depending on the modulus of the CF it can match steel or higher
It is extremely stiff and has a negative coefficient of expansion to 6 decimal places
Otherword it doe not expand in comparison to steel so it would prevent the steel liner barrel from expanding Through fancy calculations this can be calculated exactly
It all depends on the epoxy that is used and the pattern of the wrap of the barrel steel liner I dont know how barrels are wraped or what epoxy is used the final product has to be cured in an oven depending on the epoxy medium
Dont have a CF barrel but done properly it should in my opinion make a very stable barrel I do not know about harmonic changes in the barrel when a bullet is fired
That would be an interesting study
Maybe its been done by the manufactures of CF barrels but i doubt it
 
According to who? Proof? The company marketing their barrels for financial profit?

Do you really think their carbon-wrapped barrel will cool precisely 466% faster, when the inner 1/2 of the barrel is made of steel? And the heat has to migrate through the steel core to their carbon fiber wrap before the carbon fiber can possibly have any affect on the rate of heat transfer from the bore to the outer surface of the carbon wrap. What if Proof told you their barrels cooled 1466.27% faster than standard steel barrels? Would you believe that also, without any objective analysis?

Here's an objective analysis and discussion of heat transfer thru carbon fiber wrapped versus steel barrels: https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...h-sendero-contours.195415/page-7#post-1401102
There is a reason that our military, and special operators spec it out now for many of their systems.

And by the way Trace Bartlein is also convinced there is a reason for it, as they now produce CF barrels.
 
Never, I have a Bartlein carbon fiber gain twist barrel ordered for a hunting rifle. I'm doing knowing I can't shoot rapid as in a competition with it. I would get to experience the heat insulating properties of carbon. They will always be a niche product
 
There is a reason that our military, and special operators spec it out now for many of their systems.

And by the way Trace Bartlein is also convinced there is a reason for it, as they now produce CF barrels.
Yeah, and is it possible it has nothing to do with any improvement in heat transfer?

Wouldn't you prefer our troops having to carry less weight in armament?
 
Yeah, and is it possible it has nothing to do with any improvement in heat transfer?

Wouldn't you prefer our troops having to carry less weight in armament?
Not according to the people that have decided on them. They have seen great gains in barrel life over many testing sessions over the years.

I can see you doubt the info out there. You should stay with what makes you comfortable.

I have personally chambered and shot them for years, and there is a difference.

For me...... Enough said.
 
Completely false statement.

Proof Research has proven that their barrels cool 466% faster than standard steel barrels because of their "weave" process and their proprietary resin.
I'd have to say you have a lot of faith in a selling point. Case and point, nearly every barrel manufacturer says fluting makes their barrels cool faster and stronger than an unfluted barrel. The question is, what are the comparing to? A proof will not cool 466% faster than a Winchester featherweight contour. It's also not lighter than a featherweight contour. The question is what are they comparing to and how much is marketing bull.


Friend of mine and myself just built nearly identical rifles. Both are within 5 ounces of each other scoped. I have a spiral fluted #3 and he has a sendero contour proof. His barrel is no lighter than mine, contour is heavier, but his groups start opening up after 5 shots and mine keeps hammering until it's at 10 shots.


I love the technological advancements proof is pushing but they are not turning water into wine. I too have chambered and shot rifles for years. There is no magic in this game. Building an "adequate" long range rifle is a machining process and repeatability is what makes reliability. You're building them too so you know all of this
 
I own and shoot one also. But it's absolutely unrelated to their claim of improved heat transfer.

There's never been any technical explanation provided by Proof on their claims to improved heat transfer that I'm aware of. Otherwise, as a licensed engineer with training in heat transfer, I should have been able to find it while researching their claims. All I find is promotional statements, which I conclude are out of context with the realities of practical barrel heating and cooling, in order to promote sales.

Nosler inflated their bullet BC valued for decades. Do you believe Nosler, simply because they published false BC values? False promotional claims have always been used to increase profits, and they continue today, because it simply works. Sales are improved. I guarantee you false claims aren't employed to reduce profits.

By the way, if you always believed Nosler's bullet BC values, you might as well believe in the tooth fairy. Nosler only modified their bullet BC values closer to reality after they were irrefutably caught. Funny how human nature works when it comes to collecting others' money. Ethics generally have no role in the marketing department.

So ask Proof Research to provide you with their scientific research and explanation, including peer review with third party validation, that their barrels cool 466% faster than steel barrels. Post it here for us to read, so we can reach a determination based on something more than their promotional sales literature. Or ask any carbon fiber wrapped barrel manufacturer to provide the equivalent, if they make equivalent claims. I'm objective and willing to eat some crow. I'll review their "science" supporting their promotional literature. But don't be surprised to come back with a goose egg. Refusal will undoubtedly be accompanied with a claim it's proprietary and confidential. Which leaves us with nothing more than anecdotal evidence, the equivalent of, don't ask don't tell. Which is how Nosler misled their customers for decades.
 
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Completely false statement.

Proof Research has proven that their barrels cool 466% faster than standard steel barrels because of their "weave" process and their proprietary resin.

What about the Christiansen Arms CF barrels? Do you have any data on their cooling? Mine starts throwing rounds after 3 shots very consistently. Groups great for the first cold 3 shots, then the group opens up significantly. I have read many threads saying groups opening up after a few shots is common for CF barrels. So, for hunting, 3 shots would be acceptable, but not for working up a good load or for range practice or for competition, and other higher volume shooting.

I think the argument of the military going to CF barrels for accuracy is laughable. They rarely do aimed fire. Ever watch videos of fire fights? They just hold their rifles above their heads and empty their magazines. Except for snipers, most don't aim their rifles. Even the machine gunners just spray ammo in a general direction where they think the enemy may be located. The Government Accounting Office (GAO) did a study that said the Army shoots on average 10,000 rounds for 1 hit.
 
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Carbon fiber wrapped barrels are great for backpack hunters that want to take some shots on game at longer ranges, in mountainous terrain, or any terrain where a lot of hiking is done under the weight of the gear required to sustain life, compared to the small number of shots being taken. They can reduce rifle weight, and should increase barrel stiffness. I'm not worried about them overheating, since long range hunting doesn't, or classically shouldn't, require a lot of rapid fire shooting. As long as they shoot as well as steel barrels, I'm willing to pay for them for my backpacking hunting in Alaska. The older I get, the more I value weight reduction, and the less I value money sitting is some bank account. Can't take it with you - the money that is. If they enable me to keep enjoying my hobby without hating for the rifle weight being packed around, I'm all for them.
 
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No

There has to be a market for them to actually be the "norm" that market isn't in comp where the weight loss is pointless at best. Is it in hunting rifles? I doubt it for the vast majority, people want sub 500$ plastic fantastics now. "It's just a deer rifle" is common for new guys. They don't want to pay tikka prices, much less tack on another 300+ dollars.

the only market they can really hold is with high end hunting rifles, and that's simply not enough to become "the norm" Imo

"They don't want to pay Tikka prices", in Australia Tikka are 40% cheaper than Remington 700.
 
"They don't want to pay Tikka prices", in Australia Tikka are 40% cheaper than Remington 700.
Are Tikka's 40% less there than they cost in the USA? Or are Remington's 40% more in Australia than in the USA?

The Tikka's are the better factory rifle, By The Way. So you're not missing out on much.
 
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