Another Henson Aluminum tipped Bullet Test

[Marine sniper]

Some preliminary testing revealed the following: I weighed 50 of the 180.5 gr bullets and found the following (weighed on a RCBS 1500 chargemaster)

180.4-8
180.5-8
180.6-10
180.7-11
180.8-9
180.9-4

For a comparison I had 17 210 Berger's left so I weighed them and found the following

210.0-3
210.1-7
210.2-5
210.3-2

LV: I know you believe some people on this forum are looking for ways to poke holes in the theory of these bullets, and disparage them in general. I do not find that to be the case, I think you have a group of long range shooting enthusiasts who would love to add to their repertoire 30 cal bullets with BC's as high as these bullets are claimed to have. I know if I can get them to shoot; the 180's in my 300 Wby at approx 3250 fps (BC.711) is very exciting, and my 30-378 shooting the 210's at 3350 or so (BC very high 8's or low 9's) is even more exciting. I do not think guys like GG would like anything more than to be able to shoot these bullets. Something else to consider is GG is one of the most credible guys on the forum. If these were my bullets I would take his opinion very seriously, I would certainly not engage in a public ****ing match with him. In all honesty the only two things that made me hesitant to test these bullets was your public attitude and GG thoughts on the bullets......take it for what its worth.

I am looking forward to Thursday's testing.

I also got 10 of the 210's. I was told THEY WILL NOT STABILIZE in either my 300 or 30-378 with 10 twist barrels, just for kicks I am going to try 5 of them in the 300 Thursday.

 

[Lightvarmint]

No dog in this fight either... Yup, a lot of people are interested. Please do post the results publicly.

Also, here in MT we can shoot up to 3 Antelope and 2 or more deer a year. IMO Antelope make excellent test critters for long range shooting, because they die very easily and are shot in areas where they easily be recovered.

If some folks can get these bullets (308/180) to shoot straight and group well, I would also be willing to try them on game out of my Sako 300 WSM (11 twist) at various ranges.

Hello,

Unfortunately, based on feedback from Alaska and Georgia, they will not work properly in 11" twist barrels. You would be wasting your time, barrel life, powder, primers and case life.

Lightvarmint

 

[GREYGHOSTt]

You are so full of crap!!! you are only the tester? you are the one that offered me a refund on my purchase, not Mr Henson, after he personally told me the bullets would be perfect for my build. How about some customer representation from him, some interaction by him. He only has one tester? Between your post's on snipershide under a different screen name and here, nothing you say will generate faith here. As long as you try to spread BS I will be one to reply and contradict it. Count on it, EVERY time! happy testing to the king of BS'ers
Ron Tilley

Mr. Tilley i told you on the phone if the bullets didn't work for you just return them for a refund. If you had done so you could buy some cheese to go with that whine!
R.G.

 

[Lightvarmint]

Some preliminary testing revealed the following: I weighed 50 of the 180.5 gr bullets and found the following (weighed on a RCBS 1500 chargemaster)

150.4-8
150.5-8
150.6-10
150.7-11
150.8-9
150.9-4

For a comparison I had 17 210 Berger's left so I weighed them and found the following

210.0-3
210.1-7
210.2-5
210.3-2

LV: I know you believe some people on this forum are looking for ways to poke holes in the theory of these bullets, and disparage them in general. I do not find that to be the case, I think you have a group of long range shooting enthusiasts who would love to add to their repertoire 30 cal bullets with BC's as high as these bullets are claimed to have. I know if I can get them to shoot; the 180's in my 300 Wby at approx 3250 fps (BC.711) is very exciting, and my 30-378 shooting the 210's at 3350 or so (BC very high 8's or low 9's) is even more exciting. I do not think guys like GG would like anything more than to be able to shoot these bullets. Something else to consider is GG is one of the most credible guys on the forum. If these were my bullets I would take his opinion very seriously, I would certainly not engage in a public ****ing match with him. In all honesty the only two things that made me hesitant to test these bullets was your public attitude and GG thoughts on the bullets......take it for what its worth.

I am looking forward to Thursday's testing.

I also got 10 of the 210's. I was told THEY WILL NOT STABILIZE in either my 300 or 30-378 with 10 twist barrels, just for kicks I am going to try 5 of them in the 300 Thursday.

Just to set the record straight,

RG Henson does not make a 150 grain Aluminum tipped bullet. The ones he sent to you were 180.5 + or - .2 grain. We surely don't want folks to think that 150gr HAT bullets are available.

I get 3400+ out of the 210s in my 8" twist Kreiger 30/378 barrel and 3274 out of the 220s in the same gun. At 92 feet above sea level, they will not stabilize out of a 10" twist barrel powered by 300 win mag or 300 RUM cases at full velocity potential of the bullet and barrel.

Lightvarmint

 

[Marine sniper]

Just to set the record straight,

RG Henson does not make a 150 grain Aluminum tipped bullet. The ones he sent to you were 180.5 + or - .2 grain. We surely don't want folks to think that 150gr HAT bullets are available.

I get 3400+ out of the 210s in my 8" twist Kreiger 30/378 barrel and 3274 out of the 220s in the same gun. At 92 feet above sea level, they will not stabilize out of a 10" twist barrel powered by 300 win mag or 300 RUM cases at full velocity potential of the bullet and barrel.

Lightvarmint

**** it, sorry. You are right, I don't know how the hell I did that. I will fix it.

 

[tillroot1]

Mr. Tilley i told you on the phone if the bullets didn't work for you just return them for a refund. If you had done so you could buy some cheese to go with that whine!
R.G.

If you would have told me that, I would have already done exactly that, long ago. I see lightvarmint has your customer skills as well. Ron Tilley

 

[petenz]

I didn't want to start an argument guys was just curious to see how well these bullets work

 

[jwp475]

Photos were requested the last time written terminal results were posted, what's so difficult about taking a picture of the wound trauma created by these bullets?

 

[Marine sniper]

Here is a quick photo of the HAT's next to:
175 Berger
190 Berger
200 Accubond
210 Berger
240 SMK
180.5 HAT
210.5 HAT
The loaded rounds are a 210 Berger and a 210 HAT

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Which ones are which?

Steve

 

[Lightvarmint]

Photos were requested the last time written terminal results were posted, what's so difficult about taking a picture of the wound trauma created by these bullets?

JWP,

For reasons already listed in this thread, photos will not be posted. There are way too many variables and since all photos can/could be altered, they provide no more proof than without photos. Heck, unless you have a crowd of witnesses, it is hard to prove that the wound channel in any photo is from a specific bullet or cartridge. Unfortunately, I don't take witnesses hunting with me. We can see no reason why someone would believe a photo over a written report given that photos can/could be altered.

So, if you must have a photo we cannot help you in that area. But neither does any other bullet company other than GS Custom Bullets. The first bullets one fires of a specific type are always based on faith in the construction and materials (machined aluminum tips from a CNC controlled cutter, same jackets offer by Wildcat bullets, and Pb from the earth) used as well as the quality control processes that capture inferior specimens.

Specifically, the uncertainty of photos is why I rate the exit and the overall wound channels based on other bullets I have used and others have used. They can correlate their own experiences, results and picture what I am talking about. I can tell you that the 180s do not seem to be as explosive as the Sierras. I will be testing the 265s in the next 10 days and hopefully will be able to directly compare them to the 300 SMK (that I have taken numerous heads with).

RG Henson has a satisfaction guarantee so if you are not satisfied, you can return them. Do you know of any other large or custom bullet company offers the same customer service program? However, as strange as it may seem there is one customer out there who would rather, moan, groan, complain (but did not follow the printed directions or the posted directions/recommendations on the internet where they were being discussed) than to return the bullets and get his money back. It makes one wonder the ages and maturity levels of some of the people who post on this and other websites.

That just goes to show you that even when you offer money back guarantees that you cannot please some people....... When one spends 50K-60K worth of equipment and consumables to start a project, returning less than $200 is not an issue.

Remember, contrary to popular belief, these are not "jam into the lands" type bullets as they have a fairly healthy bearing surface that must be considered when tuning loads. The best perfomance will be achieved .030 to .070 off the point of land engagement.

Lightvarmint

 

[overbore]

Is there a consensus as to the use of these AL tips for F class in .30 cal? I woul thnk that if we start with a high BC then apply the right twist 5C barrel, in 300wsm for example, the combo could be a winner; any suggestions? Overbore

 

[tillroot1]

RG Henson has a satisfaction guarantee so if you are not satisfied, you can return them. Do you know of any other large or custom bullet company offers the same customer service program? However, as strange as it may seem there is one customer out there who would rather, moan, groan, complain (but did not follow the printed directions or the posted directions/recommendations on the internet where they were being discussed) than to return the bullets and get his money back. It makes one wonder the ages and maturity levels of some of the people who post on this and other websites.

That just goes to show you that even when you offer money back guarantees that you cannot please some people....... When one spends 50K-60K worth of equipment and consumables to start a project, returning less than $200 is not an issue.

Dear lying sack, the truth from this side is just a little different, I have been up front and honest to everyone since my first post prior to purchasing the bullets! I wrote publicly on the forums for all to see, not in the form of a pm for only you to see, every time. My testing of this bullet is openly a failure, and a failure on my part totally, to my defense, I honestly never received directions contrary to your opinion and was never offered a refund by RG, just you and that was after the pm that you mustered on the other forum that was nothing but a gutless attack. Believe me when I say that there are a substantial # of posters that wonder of the age and maturity level of yourself, me being up front in that line. To get your $ figures in order, I ordered 2 boxes, that would be more than $200.00 by my calculations. Of course that would be on obsolete bullets, that are now out of production, is that correct? Ron Tilley

 

[Lightvarmint]

Is there a consensus as to the use of these AL tips for F class in .30 cal? I woul thnk that if we start with a high BC then apply the right twist 5C barrel, in 300wsm for example, the combo could be a winner; any suggestions? Overbore

Hello,

I would think that they would work for F-class applications. I don't know what weight bullet most of those guys are using, but the bullets are accurate and lightweight for the BC. For instance, out of a VERY USED AND ABUSED factory Remington Sendero Special in 300 Win Mag (that I bought from the second or third owner), they (180 gr) will group consistently between 1.25" and 1.5"@ 400 yards. I can only imagine how good they would be with a fresh custom barrel that had very consistent and controlled bore dimensions. The really cool thing about them is that they do not copper foul barrels and cleanup is a quick and easy task.

As far as matches go, when we get the 6MM dies, we will be competing in some 1K and 600 yard matches to expose them to the longer range bench rest match shooting crowd using a brand new 6MM Dasher (Rock barrel, Hall "B" action and Tom Meredith stock). It should wind up being an 80 to 90 grain bullet with the BC exceeding anything that is currently being produced.

Anyway, contact RG Henson at [email protected] and he can answer any questions that you have. Remember 2 t's in bullett.

Lightvarmint