Chain- this may not be the best way to do it, (it's how I do it so I know it's not the best), but this method won't require you to see color. I heat them for about 4 seconds. That timing corresponds to what I call the brass catching on fire. You can see it in BBs video and you'll see it when you do it. When it reaches the "stop" temperature a flame starts to form trailing the brass on the opposite side of the torch. The first time I annealed I used a templistick. The templistick melted when I reached this same condition. So I quit using it cause it's combersome. The 4-5 seconds and the flame corrsponded with the templistick melting. Hope that helps.