Fiftydriver
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My usual accuracy guarantee with one of my APS rifles is 1/2 moa at 100 yards for three shots fired off my shoulder with ammo I loaded.
Because of all the variable out there, its hard to say a rifle will be a 1/2 moa rifle in all conditions, in fact nearly impossible. In spite of what many may think, a 1/2 moa group at 100 yards is not as easy as one my think with a rifle like the big AMs loaded with the very long and heavy Wildcat bullets.
If they will shoot this well at close range, they will easily break 1/2 moa at long range in good conditions with good ammo and a quality shooter.
1/2 moa at 1000 yards, not touching that one. I would say nearly all of the customers rifles I have shipped out that were designed and built for 1000 yard shooting will do this relatively comfortably, again in good conditions, with good ammo and a good pilot.
At 1500 yards, I am more then happy with 3/4 moa but still not suprised to see a 1/2 moa group pop up.
At a mile, I am very happy with 3/4 moa and not unhappy with a 1 moa group. There have been those speical groups that break 1/2 moa at this range but they are not common, no matter what your shooting.
+2000 mile groups, 1 moa is very good, extremely good in fact. In good conditions with good ammo, a rifle that retains super sonic velocity to this range can generally break the 1 moa barrier with some sort of consistancy.
I have only shot at +2500 yards a couple times. All being with either my 7mm AM or 338 AM. The 7mm is a bit hard to spot hits with but it will remain consistant at ranges out to around 2800 yards at my altitude with a 200 gr ULD RBBT loaded to +3300 fps.
The 338 AM will get you around 2600 to 2700 yards with supersonic velocity with the 300 gr SMK. COnsistancy is generally 1 moa at these ranges depending on conditions.
With the prototype 265 gr AT RBBTs from Richard, I tested at 3008 yards and was getting solid moa groups until barrel heat from the wam temps pretty much stopped all reasonable testing. This is as far as I have seen any shoulder fired rifle produce predictable, consistant grouping. Now realize 1 moa at 3008 yards is just shy of 3 feet group size!!!
The rifles should do it, the limiting factors are us as humans screwing things up and also not knowing the exact range. As mentioned, it is VERY easy to think you have an accurate range measurement but be off by 30, 40 or even 50 yards. At ranges past 1200 yards or so, this becomes enough for bad things to happen.
Right now, rifle and bullet performance has outstrided what we can get for rangefinding equipment, at least as far as affordable civilian owned tools.
Hopefully that will catch up because we need that in a big way. Knowing the exact range measurement really turns the AMs into serious extreme range surgical instruments, not knowing the exact range, does not matter how much preformance is at the tip of your trigger finger.....
Kirby Allen(50)
Because of all the variable out there, its hard to say a rifle will be a 1/2 moa rifle in all conditions, in fact nearly impossible. In spite of what many may think, a 1/2 moa group at 100 yards is not as easy as one my think with a rifle like the big AMs loaded with the very long and heavy Wildcat bullets.
If they will shoot this well at close range, they will easily break 1/2 moa at long range in good conditions with good ammo and a quality shooter.
1/2 moa at 1000 yards, not touching that one. I would say nearly all of the customers rifles I have shipped out that were designed and built for 1000 yard shooting will do this relatively comfortably, again in good conditions, with good ammo and a good pilot.
At 1500 yards, I am more then happy with 3/4 moa but still not suprised to see a 1/2 moa group pop up.
At a mile, I am very happy with 3/4 moa and not unhappy with a 1 moa group. There have been those speical groups that break 1/2 moa at this range but they are not common, no matter what your shooting.
+2000 mile groups, 1 moa is very good, extremely good in fact. In good conditions with good ammo, a rifle that retains super sonic velocity to this range can generally break the 1 moa barrier with some sort of consistancy.
I have only shot at +2500 yards a couple times. All being with either my 7mm AM or 338 AM. The 7mm is a bit hard to spot hits with but it will remain consistant at ranges out to around 2800 yards at my altitude with a 200 gr ULD RBBT loaded to +3300 fps.
The 338 AM will get you around 2600 to 2700 yards with supersonic velocity with the 300 gr SMK. COnsistancy is generally 1 moa at these ranges depending on conditions.
With the prototype 265 gr AT RBBTs from Richard, I tested at 3008 yards and was getting solid moa groups until barrel heat from the wam temps pretty much stopped all reasonable testing. This is as far as I have seen any shoulder fired rifle produce predictable, consistant grouping. Now realize 1 moa at 3008 yards is just shy of 3 feet group size!!!
The rifles should do it, the limiting factors are us as humans screwing things up and also not knowing the exact range. As mentioned, it is VERY easy to think you have an accurate range measurement but be off by 30, 40 or even 50 yards. At ranges past 1200 yards or so, this becomes enough for bad things to happen.
Right now, rifle and bullet performance has outstrided what we can get for rangefinding equipment, at least as far as affordable civilian owned tools.
Hopefully that will catch up because we need that in a big way. Knowing the exact range measurement really turns the AMs into serious extreme range surgical instruments, not knowing the exact range, does not matter how much preformance is at the tip of your trigger finger.....
Kirby Allen(50)
