7WSM.....Would ya?

[WeiserBucks]

I can't think of a good reason to waste a long action on a short cartridge. Especially one that is difficult to source.

My reasoning is that big magnums become limited by the magazine in a long action. SAUM in a LA is similar to the 6.5x284 in a LA , take that dog off the chain and let it run !

 

[Edd]

Can I still use the SA?

I don't know anything about Stiller actions but I'm guessing you could fit a Wyatt 3.0" magazine to it.

 

[Edd]

My reasoning is that big magnums become limited by the magazine in a long action. SAUM in a LA is similar to the 6.5x284 in a LA , take that dog off the chain and let it run !

I'm not sure how you are defining "Big Magnums" or "Limited", but a 28 Nosler will perform as well on cruise control as a SAUM will at full throttle.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I agree 100% , a 28 or a regular 7 RM perform great . They're just not what I'm interested in at this time .

 

[Blkz06]

I don't know anything about Stiller actions but I'm guessing you could fit a Wyatt 3.0" magazine to it.

I'm not sure. I'm definitely using a Badger bottom though.

Most guys are saying to use a Accurate Mag in 300 WSM.

 

[Deleted member 25294]

A quick search yielded very scarce 7saum factory rounds available.

I'm really leaning towards the 7wsm right now. Next question is if the maximum weight I plan on using is 180-185....Should I get a long action or short action. Also need to make a choice between the 8.44 and 9 twist PR barrel.

There have been a lot of great suggestions for building a wsm. I have to ask though, why are you building a custom rifle that you don't plan to handload for?
If you don't want to load your own then you will never see the real benefits of a custom wsm, and might as well just shoot a factory 7 rem mag.

 

[Blkz06]

There have been a lot of great suggestions for building a wsm. I have to ask though, why are you building a custom rifle that you don't plan to handload for?
If you don't want to load your own then you will never see the real benefits of a custom wsm, and might as well just shoot a factory 7 rem mag.

I didn't say I DIDN'T handload...I just said I didn't do A LOT.

Meaning, I do not handload enough to keep up with how often I shoot.

But it doesn't matter...handloading and custom rifles aren't necessarily linked together.

I have gotten as good results, in some cases better results with my Crescent Customs built rifle with Accubond Winchester factory loads as my buddy shooting his GAP rifle with tedious handloads. Easily under a 1/4" groupings at 200 yards, and it could be better if the guy behind the trigger did his job.

I'm pretty happy.

Now on to better things.

 

[J E Custom]

I can't think of a good reason to waste a long action on a short cartridge. Especially one that is difficult to source.

I feel the same way. The Short mags were designed for the short actions and when placed in a long action several things happen that can be problematic.

First thing is the COAL. If you extend the cartridge length, the chamber has to reflect these changes. Feeding is not as good in a long action because the short case does not fit it well and tend to jump up before the bullet is started in the chamber. I have found that when building a short mag. it feeds best with a center feed mag box in a short action.

The obvious thing to me is that if I want more case capacity than the short mag has, I go with a bigger case and a long action. If a cartridge design does not produce what you want, go with one that does and build it in the appropriate action.

One of my short mags is a 338 RCM and I built it on a Model 7 Rem for a light, handy thumper. It will match the ballistics of a 338 Win Mag with a 200 grain bullet in a short lightweight rifle (7 pounds fully dressed and ready to hunt). The down side is that the recoil is brisk. I also hammer pigs with the 225 grain bullets.

All of these things should be considered when building one and you must live with your decisions, So be careful and build what you want.

Just my opinion

J E CUSTOM

 

[Deleted member 25294]

I feel the same way. The Short mags were designed for the short actions and when placed in a long action several things happen that can be problematic.

First thing is the COAL. If you extend the cartridge length, the chamber has to reflect these changes. Feeding is not as good in a long action because the short case does not fit it well and tend to jump up before the bullet is started in the chamber. I have found that when building a short mag. it feeds best with a center feed mag box in a short action.

The obvious thing to me is that if I want more case capacity than the short mag has, I go with a bigger case and a long action. If a cartridge design does not produce what you want, go with one that does and build it in the appropriate action.

One of my short mags is a 338 RCM and I built it on a Model 7 Rem for a light, handy thumper. It will match the ballistics of a 338 Win Mag with a 200 grain bullet in a short lightweight rifle (7 pounds fully dressed and ready to hunt). The down side is that the recoil is brisk. I also hammer pigs with the 225 grain bullets.

All of these things should be considered when building one and you must live with your decisions, So be careful and build what you want.

Just my opinion

J E CUSTOM

Interesting theory but I have shot a lot of short action cartridges in Tikka's (which all utilize long actions) and not experienced a single issue with feeding, actually they have been the smoothest cycling actions I have ever experienced. This includes a 270 WSM and a 7mm RM re-barreled to 6.5 SAUM.
Also I had a Savage 116 in 6.5x284 that was built on a LA, as with the Tikka's there were no issues whatsoever with feeding.
I would most definitely recommend using a LA for shooting the heavy VLD's in a WSM, and since you will be hand loading, send a dummy round loaded with your bullet of choice to have the barrel properly throated.

 

[J E Custom]

Interesting theory but I have shot a lot of short action cartridges in Tikka's (which all utilize long actions) and not experienced a single issue with feeding, actually they have been the smoothest cycling actions I have ever experienced. This includes a 270 WSM and a 7mm RM re-barreled to 6.5 SAUM.
Also I had a Savage 116 in 6.5x284 that was built on a LA, as with the Tikka's there were no issues whatsoever with feeding.
I would most definitely recommend using a LA for shooting the heavy VLD's in a WSM, and since you will be hand loading, send a dummy round loaded with your bullet of choice to have the barrel properly throated.

Nothing wrong with the long actions, I just like the short actions for the Short mags.

It's not a theory, just experience with lots of rifle builds in the short mags. But again why buy a long action, hand load to a COAL longer than SAMMI,
have a special throat and chamber done when all you have to do is chamber it with a SAMMI reamer and have a very accurate performer in a rifle that can use factory ammo when you need it.

I understand the reason for using the long action but not the need. I use the heavy bullets and have no problem reaching max pressures and velocities.

It all boils down to what a person likes and wants that matters. It has been a good discussion though.

J E CUSTOM