7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

WildRose, thks for the tip, I know that I've not one in my stash, got some reg/Sierras & Speer 175 Grand Slams would RL/33 work better then H1000,RL25 Or 780 Supreme , I to I'm RL/26 poor meaning have none thks in advance and Cheers on your three builds !.
 
WildRose, thks for the tip, I know that I've not one in my stash, got some reg/Sierras & Speer 175 Grand Slams would RL/33 work better then H1000,RL25 Or 780 Supreme , I to I'm RL/26 poor meaning have none thks in advance and Cheers on your three builds !.
JJ I got kind of lost here on what we were discussing. RL33 works well for me particularly with the heavier bullets. H1000 just works period. It's the one powder I can always seem to get a good shooting load with no matter what.

I shot some RL23 and 25 in my 300wm's but never for the STW so I'm not much help there.

Unfortunately Alliant does not have a whole lot of information on their website.

There are some really good online resources for load data such as loaddata.com which is a subscription service so you might look there. In the past I got a lot of good info off of the site.
 
You advised me to try the 175 accubonds ,since I've no RL/26 Or Vit570, maybe RL/33 would work cause it works for you , I see it about but never thought about it in the STW , thks n Cheers 😉
 
You advised me to try the 175 accubonds ,since I've no RL/26 Or Vit570, maybe RL/33 would work cause it works for you , I see it about but never thought about it in the STW , thks n Cheers 😉
Ahh, well I do tend to get confused, that's why I always do the quote thing, it helps me keep things straight.
 
You advised me to try the 175 accubonds ,since I've no RL/26 Or Vit570, maybe RL/33 would work cause it works for you , I see it about but never thought about it in the STW , thks n Cheers 😉
If you ask nicely someone will run it on quickload and give you some starting references. If you have a 9 twist you should have no problem stabilizing the 175's.

Here's a link to the source I was telling you about.

 
I don't have the 175 accubonds but that's ok ,and I don't have the RL/26 and Vit 570 Or RL33 but it's all good. My twist is 1/9.25 which probably won't stabilize them any way ,but thks I do have H1000 which is a great powder ,and thks WildRose and the STW brotherhood for the great info 👏👍😉Cheers
 
I don't have the 175 accubonds but that's ok ,and I don't have the RL/26 and Vit 570 Or RL33 but it's all good. My twist is 1/9.25 which probably won't stabilize them any way ,but thks I do have H1000 which is a great powder ,and thks WildRose and the STW brotherhood for the great info 👏👍😉Cheers
What bullets do you have available?
 
Truth be told you wouldn't gain anything by "improving" the case. If there was actually something magical about the 35-40deg shoulder every proprietary round on the market today would have the same shoulder.

What you would end up with is a little less velocity because of the reduced volume.

The 7LRM is a .375 case that has been "improved" with the longer neck and longer angle and it won't equal the STW in performance.

My version is going to simply neck it down an push the shoulder angle forward about 25 thousanths to around a 40 degree angle and increasing the volume and having still about the same neck as the 300wm or 300PRC. In fact it would be very easy to just simply neck the 300PRC down to 7mm as it is just a modified .375 Ruger case itself necked down to .30cal. You can neck down from 7.62 to 7mm in just one or two steps using an original .375 Ruger bushing die set simply by changing the bushings.

With luck, it will just about mirror the STW's performance and do it with much easier to acquire brass.

Right now Hornady is still I think the only company making the .375 Ruger brass but it's only a matter of time before it's popularity as both a proprietary caliber and it's popularity for new proprietary and wildcat cartridges it's only a matter of time before the big after market makers like Petersen, ADG, and Lapua start producing it.
You could be right, and I agree partially but not completely. The LRM is a little over 1/4" shorter. Thats very substantial. I wouldnt consider shortening that much, not even half that much, would make a difference, and with 40° should would make up most of that lost capacity and get more of a 195 out of the powder column. It would only be to run 195's. Taking a little taper out would help too, and give a more efficient burn. I couldnt imagine that LRM has near the case capacity as STW. LRM 30° shoulder is a slight improvement but not much. I think the biggest reason even proprietary cartridges dont do 40° shoulders is reliable dependable feeding, and brass quality limitations. You just cant design hotrods at the factory, that admittedly has some disadvantages, feeding and pressure. Youve gotta hot rod them afterwards. Longer necks and 40° shoulders are a little easier on throats. All that said, you could be right, and its just my opinion based on much less experience than you and others. I still think you could increase performance with 195's. The case design comes up short when you move up to 195's, unless you make a single shot out of it. The Shermans are getting 3200 fps with 175's in a 3.2 coal, maybe 3.3 with no pressure signs, and accuracy. Granted thats ADG brass. You couldnt do it with most brass out there. How does that happen? That matches my 180 loads in my 1/2" longer STW.
 
Truth be told you wouldn't gain anything by "improving" the case. If there was actually something magical about the 35-40deg shoulder every proprietary round on the market today would have the same shoulder.

What you would end up with is a little less velocity because of the reduced volume.

The 7LRM is a .375 case that has been "improved" with the longer neck and longer angle and it won't equal the STW in performance.

My version is going to simply neck it down an push the shoulder angle forward about 25 thousanths to around a 40 degree angle and increasing the volume and having still about the same neck as the 300wm or 300PRC. In fact it would be very easy to just simply neck the 300PRC down to 7mm as it is just a modified .375 Ruger case itself necked down to .30cal. You can neck down from 7.62 to 7mm in just one or two steps using an original .375 Ruger bushing die set simply by changing the bushings.

With luck, it will just about mirror the STW's performance and do it with much easier to acquire brass.

Right now Hornady is still I think the only company making the .375 Ruger brass but it's only a matter of time before it's popularity as both a proprietary caliber and it's popularity for new proprietary and wildcat cartridges it's only a matter of time before the big after market makers like Petersen, ADG, and Lapua start producing it.
I agree, that 375 great things are beginning to happen with. I suspect that one will be wildcatted in all kinds of ways, once quality brass is available. Good luck with it, and Id be interested in knowing how it comes out.
 
You could be right, and I agree partially but not completely. The LRM is a little over 1/4" shorter. Thats very substantial. I wouldnt consider shortening that much, not even half that much, would make a difference, and with 40° should would make up most of that lost capacity and get more of a 195 out of the powder column. It would only be to run 195's. Taking a little taper out would help too, and give a more efficient burn. I couldnt imagine that LRM has near the case capacity as STW. LRM 30° shoulder is a slight improvement but not much. I think the biggest reason even proprietary cartridges dont do 40° shoulders is reliable dependable feeding, and brass quality limitations. You just cant design hotrods at the factory, that admittedly has some disadvantages, feeding and pressure. Youve gotta hot rod them afterwards. Longer necks and 40° shoulders are a little easier on throats. All that said, you could be right, and its just my opinion based on much less experience than you and others. I still think you could increase performance with 195's. The case design comes up short when you move up to 195's, unless you make a single shot out of it. The Shermans are getting 3200 fps with 175's in a 3.2 coal, maybe 3.3 with no pressure signs, and accuracy. Granted thats ADG brass. You couldnt do it with most brass out there. How does that happen? That matches my 180 loads in my 1/2" longer STW.
Less volume in the vessel, equal loads, greater pressures I suspect along with slower burning powders specialty than we had when the STW was born.

Considering the long barrel life of the 300wm I'm unconvinced that longer necks actually have much effect on throat erosion.

I won't be shooting over 1,200yds so I'm not concerned with being able to load the next generation of even heavier/longer bullets. If I were shooting ELR I'd probably do something completely different and move up to the Cheytac 375.

I think what the .375Ruger case does for us though is give us a very economical solution for wildcatting hunting rounds from 6.5-338 and even to .350 if someone wants to.

The short fat cases just give you an efficiency/economy powder wise we can't get from the larger cases.

Oh, if I really want to fling'm long, I still have 3 300 Rum's that won't be going anywhere including a one of a kind 300 Rum Sharpshooter. 😁
 
I agree, that 375 great things are beginning to happen with. I suspect that one will be wildcatted in all kinds of ways, once quality brass is available. Good luck with it, and Id be interested in knowing how it comes out.
Well if I had any remaining doubts the 300 PRC proved my theory. The 375-300 was the first thing I thought of literally the first time I saw the proposed drawing of the .375 Ruger. The 6.5LRM just confirmed it for me. If I can pick up four to five gr's in capacity with the shorter neck of the 6.5-300 Ruger I should be able I think to pick up at least another 150-200FPS with the right powder. That would send my 140gr Accbonds down range at a smoking 3500FPS and the 123gr Peregrine VLR4s should be running easily between 3,700-3,900fps which will absolutely smoke coyotes, deer, hogs, antelope on the plains or out across wheatfields.

220 Swift velocities with 6.5 BC's would be tough to beat.
 
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