Well my experiment continues. I've recently come across 8lbs of 4064 so I bit. I also got ahold of some of the 125sst's. I tested tonight with the 165 gk and the 125 sst. If I can remember right, The sst was loaded over 44 grains of 4064 and it grouped ok. 2 touching and the other two were not moa (maybe do to shooter). I shot the 165 gamekings 2nd and I shot a better, they were in a nice little group. They were faster than the varget group from the other day, because they were right near the scope zero. The varget was 2-3" low. I think I may have loaded the game kings a little long, because the bolt was snug to close and a little firm to open. I enjoy working my skills so we'll change a few things and load up again. All the loads look like they'll accurately kill a deer. I'm just tinkering now trying to get a sub moa load.