Don't expect that kind of penetration as the norm for those though... Just sayin. I've had enough personal experience to know. They do best at long range impacts...I watched a friend of mine take a big aoudad out of palo duro canyon with the eldms. No elk but still a stout animal. He was quartering to us hard, the bullet punched through 3/4 of the body length and exited the front of his hind quarter.