6.5 Creedmor- the Holy Grail?

[Capt RB]

No, it would favor the 6.5x284 or 6.5 saum...compare the same bullet as the Creed in a faster 6.5 and the bigger one will be leaps and bounds better.

If it shoots the same pill faster and wasn't better in performance don't you think something would be wrong?

 

[Capt RB]

Dude, the numbers don't lie. LOOK AT THEM. I said SIMILAR.

How much more similar can the same shaped bullet of the same weight from the same manufacturer in 2 different calibers be?

Dude, the numbers don't lie. LOOK AT THEM. I said SIMILAR.

I didn't see your chart when I posted accubonds are tangent ogive bullets and do not show the significant differences like secant and hybrid ogive bullets. My mistake

 

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[Barrelnut]

How much more similar can the same shaped bullet of the same weight from the same manufacturer in 2 different calibers be?

I didn't see your chart when I posted accubonds are tangent ogive bullets and do not show the significant differences like secant and hybrid ogive bullets. My mistake

You da man. Sorry, just CM fever I guess.

 

[e1harris]

So this wasn't your chart on page 30 with a 180 gr bullet vs a 190 and 168?

Swift A-Frame, 300 WSM vs 6.5 Creedmoor.

6.5 Creedmoor good to 379 yards, 300 WSM good to 555 yards. I know this is a Long Range Hunting forum, but 379 works for me... especially with less than half the recoil.

 

[rustyshackleford]

Swift A-Frame, 300 WSM vs 6.5 Creedmoor.

6.5 Creedmoor good to 379 yards, 300 WSM good to 555 yards. I know this is a Long Range Hunting forum, but 379 works for me... especially with less than half the recoil.

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I agree 100%. Your chart just looked like you were singing a different tune. I hunt with a 30-06 and cup and core bullets man. It's unlikely I'll go much past 350 myself with things the way they are.

 

[WildRose]

When I said black bear I was meaning stuff that can eat you. I'm sure it would work on moose and elk inside 350 with appropriate bullets.

Been a whole lot of bears killed with 6.5's as well. I watched a very large Alaskan Grizzly killed with a 26 Nosler this year and have personally witnessed quite a few blacks being killed with .264's. I also know of white a few killed in the upper MW with the lowly 6.5RM.

Right bullet, right conditions/range, it's more than adequate for black bears.

 

[WildRose]

I mean you seem pretty knowledgeable and rationale. Could you not see how someone new to the game could see 400+ and appropriate for elk on an ammo box and think that's exactly what it means? I've had loads of people come in the store where I work deciding between 6.5 creed and 338 Lapua for a mile rig. This is not a joke and that part IS NOT hornady's fault but the hype has gotten out of hand.

Which box of hornady ammo are you looking at that tells people it's appropriate for elk at over 400+?

Post a link and/or picture please.

Even assuming you can how does that encourage anyone to shoot beyond the ranges they are competent at?

That's like claiming Remington is telling everyone that buys a Milspec, Gen 2, or 700LR that all they need to do is buy one to shoot game at a thousand yards.

It's nonsense.

 

[Axl]

Let's keep it real guys - If you say stupid stuff or you are inconsistent with your view points you are going to get called out on it. Apparently I didn't get the memo that some people like the hammer guy get free passes. Somebody forward that on to me.

There are a lot if smart guys with a ton of experience on this site. Ask mojomike - the guy started a thread about how he rolled an antelope on the run at 400 yards and got lit the hell up. Poor guy had to change his username. Some experiences are better left for around the campfire and Sometimes its better not to hit the post button (i would tell my boy Trump the same thing).

But if you are man enough to hit post you need to be man enough to take whatever comes your way.

Even the OP here, who I still think is a genius facilitator, got some heat for posting an anti creed thread.

This site would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything.

This thread is like a freight train on a dirt road
I have used the hammer bullets in 4 guns all shot as good or better than the guns ever did and all with very little load development. Before i ordered any i called the company and Steve- the owner answered on the third ring. Talked to me for 20 minutes or so and would have talked longer. Told me about his product and how to load it.also said he would buy back any bullets i didn't want for any reason. I have developed loads for a lot of guns and used a lot of different bullets ( i have more boxes of bergers than both of my LGS's combined lol) and i havent ever used a bullet that is as easy to get a good shooting load as Hammer's
Like ALL bullets you need to verify your drops by shooting your gun at the range you want to use it. Some of the hammers needed an adjustment on bc ( the .284 143 gr was 2" lower at 500 yds) and another was right on.
The 143 in my 28 Nosler shoots flatter and tighter than 7 other very popular bullets i have tried in it. And it kills stuff dead,in fact i would suggest a name change to THOR'S HAMMER!

 

[WildRose]

Was expressing my observations based on Federals loadings for the two cartridges with both using a 140 Accubond. It is very close. I think it has real world relevance.
Here's the results using their comparator.
https://www.federalpremium.com/prod...ration={7FF5C5E6-B60E-4CA5-A1AE-07A721FB1CC4}

When comparing a heavy for caliber 6.5 and a light for caliber 7mm you don't come up with an accurate comparison.

 

[Barrelnut]

When comparing a heavy for caliber 6.5 and a light for caliber 7mm you don't come up with an accurate comparison.

Data shows that a 140 out of a 7-08 will perform better than a 140 out of a 6.5 CM. Did the comparison to show the original data of comparing a 140 GR high BC 6.5 CM with a low BC 150 gr 7mm bullet out of a 7-08 (in post #413) was not an accurate comparison either.

 

[WildRose]

Disagree. Not talking about your 147ELDM. Read what I said. Federal's loads run right at max pressure in about all loads. The comparator shows that similar bullets with similar profiles run just a tad better in a 7-08. Not worse for sure. Actually a statistical tie. Lots of the 6.5CM shooters run factory anyway. Heck man I'm a CM shooter and fan of the dang thing. But it is what it is.

Nobody's factory ammo is loaded at max pressure unless it's labeled as Plus P or higher.

 

[WildRose]

Data shows that a 140 out of a 7-08 will perform better than a 140 out of a 6.5 CM. Did the comparison to show the original data of comparing a 140 GR high BC 6.5 CM with a low BC 150 gr 7mm bullet out of a 7-08 (in post #413) was not an accurate comparison either.

And as I said it's not in any way a fair comparison since you're comparing a heavy for caliber 6.5 to a light for caliber 7mm.

 

[WildRose]

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Thanks, I needed a laugh.