460 s&w

JE, I'm thinking about getting a 16 1/8" inch barrel for my encore, what twist rate would you go for? I'd like to get a muzzle break and a cap for it too. Do you or anyone you know do that work? Any recommendations? Can you help?


S&W uses a very unusual Twist configuration (1 in 100" to 1 in 25" gain/progressive twist) for there pistols. Big Horn Armory uses a 1 in 32'' twist for there 460 rifle.

I am working on a 460 bolt action and I chose a 1 in 20'' twist (Hope it works).

For a 16" barrel, I would talk to the barrel makers and get there opinion. For a long barreled pistol I would probably pick a 1 in 20'' to 1 in 25".

This is all uncharted territory for me so do your homework and decide what bullet you will use in order to get the best twist rate.

J E CUSTOM
 
It is a gill break designed for 458 socom rifles that you can mount a tube over that redirects blast forward. I shot near someone with a set up similar on a 5.56 and was really impressed.

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JE, I'm thinking about getting a 16 1/8" inch barrel for my encore, what twist rate would you go for? I'd like to get a muzzle break and a cap for it too. Do you or anyone you know do that work? Any recommendations? Can you help?


In addition to this post = http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f29/460-s-w-183320/index3.html#post1289954 I am working on a new muzzle brake design for the Big Bore rifles and pistols using the technology we used on the Assassin muzzle brake to increase the efficiency of big bore brakes and make them reduce more of the recoil.

We already have a new radial design that has proven to be very efficient on small to medium cartridges up to 338. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOfaGi_ZhgM I will be installing one of these on my new 460 S&W rifle as soon as the design is perfected for maximum recoil reduction.

When we are through designing these brakes a friend will be making and selling them. (I am retired and just want to play with new designs). There will be another Video made of this big bore brake in action for those that are interested

J E CUSTOM
 
I'd look into both the 300 and 325 Swift A-frame for your 460. I load the 325 A-frame in my 7.5" casull to 1550fps and whack paper plates at 100 yards all day with my one-hole sight. It has put down moose and caribou with ease, but I load up 360 gas checks at 1500fps for bear. H110, W296 and Lil' Gun will be your go to powders, but for the heavies you may try some AA1680 or even CFE BLK. I'd also look into trying some Bear tooth bullets, they are worth the wait.

Reuben
 
I'd look into both the 300 and 325 Swift A-frame for your 460. I load the 325 A-frame in my 7.5" casull to 1550fps and whack paper plates at 100 yards all day with my one-hole sight. It has put down moose and caribou with ease, but I load up 360 gas checks at 1500fps for bear. H110, W296 and Lil' Gun will be your go to powders, but for the heavies you may try some AA1680 or even CFE BLK. I'd also look into trying some Bear tooth bullets, they are worth the wait.

Reuben


Thanks. I loaded some Lil'gun with the 300 grain Hornady XTP Mags and the book says I should get
2,067 ft/sec and the 325s should be 1,955 ft/sec (I will chronograph to verify) H 110 was my choice for the 454 but it looks like the Lil'gun will add 50 ft/sec to the 460 Smith & Wesson over the H 110.

I also finished the rifle and will try these loads in it to see how much more velocity the rifle will make.

Thanks again
J E CUSTOM
 
I load Swift boolets in Starline brass with a heavy crimp for my hand cannon as well as the 452 Hornady hollow points..... I never use the bi-pod, just shoot it 2 handed r use a tree for a steady rest....

Fun handgun, the muzzle blast is wicked, serious ear protection mandatory
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I load Swift boolets in Starline brass with a heavy crimp for my hand cannon as well as the 452 Hornady hollow points..... I never use the bi-pod, just shoot it 2 handed r use a tree for a steady rest....

Fun handgun, the muzzle blast is wicked, serious ear protection mandatory
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I'm starting to look at the 45-70 as a pistol round, seems like it would have longer range? Any thoughts on the difference in 460s&w vs 45-70 ot about the same?
 
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None. I've never fiddled with a 45-70 Government.

Don't equate any handgun with 'longer range' anyway. I'm very happy with 150 yards with the 460 and being able to hit a kill zone on a whitetail. I have it primarily for Michigan woods hunting where any long gun is cumbersome carrying it in the trees. I wear mine outside my camo in a cross draw ballistic nylon shoulder rig. It's a heavy piece (all X frames are). To me it's a specialty gun for certain uses only.

I used to carry my 44 Magnum. this one has replaced that one. I find the 460 to be more manageable to shoot, being that it's heavier and had a brake, muzzle climb is little and recoil is little as well. It's actually a ladies gun. My wife shoots it quite well offhand as well.

Don't buy the You Tube video's where it's shot on a bipod and the poster remarks about the wicked recoil. It's not at all a 'wicked recoil' Very manageable in fact, just stupid loud.
 
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Hmm this thread still going. I've for the most part solved my big bore want/need with my 458 socom running 260gr Maximus bullets from CEB. That said a 460 in a TC encore could be a fun thumper
 
Hmm this thread still going. I've for the most part solved my big bore want/need with my 458 socom running 260gr Maximus bullets from CEB. That said a 460 in a TC encore could be a fun thumper


Weight is your friend when using the 460 S&W round. The contenders are light compared to the big revolver and I can honestly say the encore would be brutal with out a good muzzle brake.

I have a contender(I know its lighter) but recoil is almost unmanageable when using the 265 grain bullets in the 444 marlin its chambered for.

I have owned almost every caliber and cartridge for the TCs and one of the ones that did not work in the pistol was the 45/70. It had tons of recoil and very little energy and velocity in the pistol because of the loading. I love the 45/70 and have rifles that can be loaded up harder than factory loads but the cases cant take pressure over the max 40,000 cup's.

The 460 is a true high pressure pistol cartridge like the 454 Casull and ether will out do the 45/70 by a large margin. It is basically a rifle cartridge that does fine with rifle powders and low pressures.

The SAMME pressures for the 45/70 are 28,000 cup's to 40,000 cup's.
the 460 S&W is 65,000 PSI's the same as modern Magnum rifles .
The 460 S&W pushes a 200 grain bullet (Factory load) to2409 ft/sec
In my short barreled rifle it exceeds 2900 ft/sec. In fact it is almost the ballistic equal in the pistol as the 450 bushmaster is in a rifle.

Just my opinion

J E CUSTOM
 
A 300 grain pill loaded in the 460 case will stop anything on 4 legs anywhere in the world at any reasonable pistol distance and will surely bring down a whitetail or hog at 150 yards plus anytime.... and it's a hoot to shoot as well.

It's a specialty handgun and not for everyone by a long shot. I like mine a lot.

The hardest part for me was getting over the 'flinch' that comes with shooting an ultra high powered revolver. Once I overcame that, it's really no different than shooting a 308 bolt gun.

Smith really fine tunes their triggers on the XVR Performance Center Revolvers. It's crisp, no pre travel and no let off. Just there. Never used a trigger pull gauge on it but I estimate pull to be about 3-4 pounds single action, plenty light for the size of revolver it is, in fact my N Frame 44 mag from the 60's has a heaver pull than the XVR does.

Recoil is about or less that a 308....and unlike a bottleneck case there isn't a bunch of fiddling with jump or case prep. Just deburr the flash holes (Starline is pretty good right out of the box), prime the cases with large rifle primers, charge the cases (I use Lil' Gun and the recommended charge), seat the pills to COAL, crimp tightly (I use Hornady 460 pistol dies and seater but a Lee Collet Crimper) and shoot. The forcing cone aligns the bullet and sets the flight path. No chambering issues, heavy bolt lift, brass wipe, nothing. No fiddling with necks, no case trimming, neck turning or annealing. Nothing. I get about 3 loads from each case and then scrap them. All I watch for is cracking at the very top of the case because you have to really crimp the bullets to keep them from moving in the cylinder.

No case lubing either... Pistol dies are carbide lined. I do use a little Imperial case wax as the cases are large but thats just me and not really necessary.

Besides, when I go hunting and I'm wearing the 460, other hunters look strangely at me. No rifle they ask... I reply, none needed. Up here, a long shot in the woods is 150 yards. Too many trees in the way. Just have to remember to put my ear plugs in.

It's especially nice in states like Michigan, Indiana and Ohio where hunting regs have been changed to allow a straight walled center fire pistol cartridge to be used where previously only a front stuffer or shotgun could be used to take deer. Another reason I'm looking at a Savage bolt gun modified for the 460 cartridge. perfectly legal now.

The 460 case is just under the maximum allowable case length under the new regs.

Don't think I've shot my Accura V2 50 in a couple years now. No need for a smoke pole anymore, plus I have 4 more in the cylinder if I miss....lol
 
A 300 grain pill loaded in the 460 case will stop anything on 4 legs anywhere in the world at any reasonable pistol distance and will surely bring down a whitetail or hog at 150 yards plus anytime.... and it's a hoot to shoot as well.

It's a specialty handgun and not for everyone by a long shot. I like mine a lot.

The hardest part for me was getting over the 'flinch' that comes with shooting an ultra high powered revolver. Once I overcame that, it's really no different than shooting a 308 bolt gun.

Smith really fine tunes their triggers on the XVR Performance Center Revolvers. It's crisp, no pre travel and no let off. Just there. Never used a trigger pull gauge on it but I estimate pull to be about 3-4 pounds single action, plenty light for the size of revolver it is, in fact my N Frame 44 mag from the 60's has a heaver pull than the XVR does.

Recoil is about or less that a 308....and unlike a bottleneck case there isn't a bunch of fiddling with jump or case prep. Just deburr the flash holes (Starline is pretty good right out of the box), prime the cases with large rifle primers, charge the cases (I use Lil' Gun and the recommended charge), seat the pills to COAL, crimp tightly (I use Hornady 460 pistol dies and seater but a Lee Collet Crimper) and shoot. The forcing cone aligns the bullet and sets the flight path. No chambering issues, heavy bolt lift, brass wipe, nothing. No fiddling with necks, no case trimming, neck turning or annealing. Nothing. I get about 3 loads from each case and then scrap them. All I watch for is cracking at the very top of the case because you have to really crimp the bullets to keep them from moving in the cylinder.

No case lubing either... Pistol dies are carbide lined. I do use a little Imperial case wax as the cases are large but thats just me and not really necessary.

Besides, when I go hunting and I'm wearing the 460, other hunters look strangely at me. No rifle they ask... I reply, none needed. Up here, a long shot in the woods is 150 yards. Too many trees in the way. Just have to remember to put my ear plugs in.

It's especially nice in states like Michigan, Indiana and Ohio where hunting regs have been changed to allow a straight walled center fire pistol cartridge to be used where previously only a front stuffer or shotgun could be used to take deer. Another reason I'm looking at a Savage bolt gun modified for the 460 cartridge. perfectly legal now.

The 460 case is just under the maximum allowable case length under the new regs.

Don't think I've shot my Accura V2 50 in a couple years now. No need for a smoke pole anymore, plus I have 4 more in the cylinder if I miss....lol

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I started using big bore pistols when The 44 Mag came into to vogue and the black Hawk was a hand full. Then being somewhat brain dead I later bough a Ruger 454 recoil was really brisk. After shooting a Raging Bull
in 454 I decided to get one and sell my Ruger because the Raging Bull was More fun to shoot because It was heavier. When the 460 S&W came out and I had a go at It, To my surprise, It felt better and I love to shoot it.

The design is very good for recoil.

J E CUSTOM
 
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