460 S&W Magnum might have too much velocity. See Picture...

[J E Custom]

Hey JE which manual do you use for the 250gr ftx and 460? I am not able to find anything with that bullet. Or could you share the powder min-max?

When I first started loading for the 460 S&W I had to use some of the 454 casull Data.

but now that the 460 has been out for a while I have found that Hodgdon has plenty load data.
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

Use the pistol data, This also works well in my rifle.

J E CUSTOM

 

[J E Custom]

With my factory 460 encore barrel no brake I don't get consistent ejection of 45 colt cases, screw driver to remove half or better of them inconsistent. I have loaded 460 cases to hot 45colt charges and it's a pleasure to shoot. 454 charges are more than doable and fun to shoot, full bore 460 loads aren't fun at all. Everything I've read says you're getting lots more velocity with the extra 12 or so inches of barrel I believe it whole heartedly. With full power loads it's hands down the hardest kicking gun I own, I grew up shooting 45-70 out of a marlin guide gun just factory rem loads and to me this kicks harder and definitely has more muzzle blast.
If you're adding more barrel aren't you loosing some of the portability and the benefits of having a short fast handling rifle? I'm not criticizing at all just trying to understand, are you looking for more knock down by getting max velocity? There's not an animal on the continent that can't be cleanly and confidently shot with the 460 in pistol length according to many stories I've read. Heck if you're going to look for more power wouldn't it be easier to step up to the 45-70 and sling 400+ grain bullets?

The 460 S&W can produce 1800 ft/sec in a 10" barrel using a 395 grain bullet. The closest the 45/70 comes is 1450 ft/sec in a 15'' barrel using a 405 grain bullet.

My 20" barreled rifle in 460 S&W went from 2400 ft/sec in a 8.5" barrel pistol using the factory 200 grain bullet to 2900+ with the the same factory load. I intend to shoot bullets in the 300 to 400 grain range. So I will build the next rifle with a 26" barrel and see where/how it does.

The 45/70 is a great cartridge but it cant match the 460 in power because of the SAMMI maximum pressure differences and case design strength. I am expecting from 2100 to 2200 +ft/sec with the 395s and much more with the 300 grain bullets.

J E CUSTOM

 

[meatyrem]

When I first started loading for the 460 S&W I had to use some of the 454 casull Data.

but now that the 460 has been out for a while I have found that Hodgdon has plenty load data.
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

Use the pistol data, This also works well in my rifle.

J E CUSTOM

I've used this site previously and can't find for the 250ftx it only shows the 250barnes.

 

[J E Custom]

I've used this site previously and can't find for the 250ftx it only shows the 250barnes.

This is a common problem with many sites because that is what they tested with but if it is the same weight and you don't start at the top velocity you can substitute brands and find out where they are in the velocity range.

Some bullets produce more or less pressure than others and you need to know where they are.

The only bullets that I find that are not compatible to these load charts with/in the same weights are the molly coated bullets and they shouldn't be substituted.

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[Wolf76]

Hey JE which manual do you use for the 250gr ftx and 460? I am not able to find anything with that bullet. Or could you share the powder min-max?

I max out @ 47 GR h110 with the 250 ftx. My super accurate load for (4) 45 raptors - same load data as 460 SW - is 46.7 grs with the 250 ftx bonded shockwave.

 

[Earnhardt]

I max out @ 47 GR h110 with the 250 ftx. My super accurate load for (4) 45 raptors - same load data as 460 SW - is 46.7 grs with the 250 ftx bonded shockwave.

Barrel length?
Velocity?
Bolt gun?
Thanks

 

[Wolf76]

Barrel length?
Velocity?
Bolt gun?
Thanks

2600 fps
Bolt - Savage short action
20" barrel - 1 in 20 twist

 

[86alaskan]

As for the shorter barrels, I load a 250gr barnes XPB 454 casull bullet in the 460 for around 2250fps from a 16" suppressed encore. I use the Silencerco hybrid and it makes for a very manageable woods gun. Overall it's shorter than a 24" bolt gun and only weighs about 6.5lbs with a 3x9 bushnell elite. While the recoil isn't light, I'd say it's on the mark with a 12ga pump using field loads. I plan on loading some home cast and sized 500gr wheel weight bullets for some bulldozer subsonics in the 460.

 

[J E Custom]

I'm going to stick with 27 in.. Just not sure if going to have it threaded for a brake or do there integral radial brake witch I'd be stuck with and loose 2 in. of rifled barrel. Probably get it threaded . That way I can use one of your brakes
I don't mind the integral radial brake on my MGM 27 in. 6.5 PRC barrel. I don't hunt with it. It's a one in. full bull and HEAVY....

Just about finished with my 460 Encore and as most everyone that knows me will say I am all about accuracy, but I also like good looking and well balanced rifles. I have found that long barreled rifles are often barrel heavy and don't have good balance so I take steps to remedy this when I can. the 26" barrel I have for mine is a full 1" from end to end and I thought it would be muzzle heavy so I also purchased a laminated stock to add some weight to the but stock. After assembly, the 26" barrel looks short but the balance was near perfect. I decided to install the brake in an effort to tame the beast and at the same time get the proportions right and was very pleased with the appearance and balance. The brake only adds about 1.6" to the overall length so I think you will be pleased with the 27" barrel (My barrel with the brake is 27.6" and looks right.

Even with the 27.6 " total barrel length, the rifle is still shorter than most standard length rifles.

It remains to be seen what the velocity difference will be, but it will be interesting ether way. But the look and feel with the longer barrel is very good and as soon as I finish pillar bedding the fore arm, I will post my results and look forward to your results.

Another interesting detail about the 460 S&W is the SAMMI pressure limit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=SAM...ome..69i57.22212j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Although I don,t believe in pushing cartridges to the limit, These pressure does allow a re loader to exceed the Load data in this cartridge. I had thought it was about the same as the 454 Casull.

J E CUSTOM

 

[WYO300RUM]

Just about finished with my 460 Encore and as most everyone that knows me will say I am all about accuracy, but I also like good looking and well balanced rifles. I have found that long barreled rifles are often barrel heavy and don't have good balance so I take steps to remedy this when I can. the 26" barrel I have for mine is a full 1" from end to end and I thought it would be muzzle heavy so I also purchased a laminated stock to add some weight to the but stock. After assembly, the 26" barrel looks short but the balance was near perfect. I decided to install the brake in an effort to tame the beast and at the same time get the proportions right and was very pleased with the appearance and balance. The brake only adds about 1.6" to the overall length so I think you will be pleased with the 27" barrel (My barrel with the brake is 27.6" and looks right.

Even with the 27.6 " total barrel length, the rifle is still shorter than most standard length rifles.

It remains to be seen what the velocity difference will be, but it will be interesting ether way. But the look and feel with the longer barrel is very good and as soon as I finish pillar bedding the fore arm, I will post my results and look forward to your results.

Another interesting detail about the 460 S&W is the SAMMI pressure limit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=SAMMI+pressures+for+460+S&W&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS865US865&oq=SAMMI+pressures+for+460+S&W&aqs=chrome..69i57.22212j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Although I don,t believe in pushing cartridges to the limit, These pressure does allow a re loader to exceed the Load data in this cartridge. I had thought it was about the same as the 454 Casull.

J E CUSTOM

I want to see pictures ! Congrats on finishing !

 

[WYO300RUM]

Just about finished with my 460 Encore and as most everyone that knows me will say I am all about accuracy, but I also like good looking and well balanced rifles. I have found that long barreled rifles are often barrel heavy and don't have good balance so I take steps to remedy this when I can. the 26" barrel I have for mine is a full 1" from end to end and I thought it would be muzzle heavy so I also purchased a laminated stock to add some weight to the but stock. After assembly, the 26" barrel looks short but the balance was near perfect. I decided to install the brake in an effort to tame the beast and at the same time get the proportions right and was very pleased with the appearance and balance. The brake only adds about 1.6" to the overall length so I think you will be pleased with the 27" barrel (My barrel with the brake is 27.6" and looks right.

Even with the 27.6 " total barrel length, the rifle is still shorter than most standard length rifles.

It remains to be seen what the velocity difference will be, but it will be interesting ether way. But the look and feel with the longer barrel is very good and as soon as I finish pillar bedding the fore arm, I will post my results and look forward to your results.

Another interesting detail about the 460 S&W is the SAMMI pressure limit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=SAMMI+pressures+for+460+S&W&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS865US865&oq=SAMMI+pressures+for+460+S&W&aqs=chrome..69i57.22212j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Although I don,t believe in pushing cartridges to the limit, These pressure does allow a re loader to exceed the Load data in this cartridge. I had thought it was about the same as the 454 Casull.

J E CUSTOM

What are your thoughts on an integral radial brake , using up 2 in. of rifled barrel on 27 in. Barrel compared to keeping 27 in. and theading for brake ? I have some brakes I could use but need to be cut to their size. I don't want to go to another MGM 1 in. full bull like I did on the 6.5 PRC 27 in. with integral brake. Way too heavy. Sent back for spiral fluting just to get 6 oz. off it. Lol. I'm going back and forth on thoughts . Not much $ difference . Thanks ahead for your input.

 

[J E Custom]

What are your thoughts on an integral radial brake , using up 2 in. of rifled barrel on 27 in. Barrel compared to keeping 27 in. and theading for brake ? I have some brakes I could use but need to be cut to their size. I don't want to go to another MGM 1 in. full bull like I did on the 6.5 PRC 27 in. with integral brake. Way too heavy. Sent back for spiral fluting just to get 6 oz. off it. Lol. I'm going back and forth on thoughts . Not much $ difference . Thanks ahead for your input.

This is what we found while testing all types of recoil devices in actual recoil measurement test.
http://www.jecustom.com/index.php?pg=Home&cmd=Cell&cell=FAQ

The second FAQ explains the type and efficiency of each device. some of these devices were very disappointing in recoil reduction, but in felt recoil they were ok for their purpose and cost. Maximum recoil reduction was only achieved using a detachable/Threaded muzzle brake.

Maybe this will help.

J E CUSTOM

 

[WYO300RUM]

Thank you. I will check it out today.

 

[WYO300RUM]

This is what we found while testing all types of recoil devices in actual recoil measurement test.
http://www.jecustom.com/index.php?pg=Home&cmd=Cell&cell=FAQ

The second FAQ explains the type and efficiency of each device. some of these devices were very disappointing in recoil reduction, but in felt recoil they were ok for their purpose and cost. Maximum recoil reduction was only achieved using a detachable/Threaded muzzle brake.

Maybe this will help.

J E CUSTOM

That was excellent. Thank you. Now I'm interested in your Breaks.