I've used them on game as well and spun a bear over at 250 yards DRT. The 285s punch a one inch hole wide x 11/16" deep in 3/4" steel at 300 yards...any doubt they won't kill an animal is misplaced! Just me! Or maybe I just got the only good batch! Hornady hasn't let me down in 49 years of reloading...but yes there are many new options available! Should mention 338 Lapua is what I'm using.I have only used the 285 eldm on steel and paper. Good to know!