liltank
Well-Known Member
Everyone who thinks that questioning things has no effect on how troops should ask a sniper who has been there and lost friends there.
During the last thread on the history channel sniper show I asked my brother in law if he had caught it and he had not so he finally caught it and I asked him what he though. He said it was hard to see one of the shots cause he was just down the road and the sniper was a friend, he then related the back story of that engagement.
I then got him to check out the thread, the next time I talked to him he said that he would never visit this site again due to the disrespect displayed to military members with actual combat experience in the thread, this shocked me so I asked him about what he saw and he explained a lot on what these things do to the troops moral.
If you think that going over these shots and tossing out our BS flags doesn't affect a sniper and what he thinks you are dead wrong, period.
My brother in law went 3 rounds in Iraq as a Marine sniper and they shoot and know there weapons better than anyone on this site, he related in one night his team shot over 400 rounds, that's one night they shoot a lot!! Some amazing shooting that obviously know one will believe.
These stories, true or not are very important to the actual sniper in the field. At this time of year and in this time in history troop moral is hanging by a thread and if you don't think discussions like this don't hurt then you need think again.
Just my two cents, I have definite thought on this particular shot but an internet forum is not a place to go over it.
Remember our troops tomorrow, with gratefulness and honor!!!!
Case and point. +1 and thanks for sharing. What some don't realize is the bond between soldiers is stronger than most friendships. Thanks for sharing and tell him Thank you from an ex-soldier.
Tank
Any number of us said 3 for 3 was a tall tale to believe. Turns out it wasn't 3 for 3. Best as I can tell, there was never even a third hit now. To get others to cower in submission to your take on the article?
BTW, did you ask this contact if they practice at ranges farther than where the bullets start tumbling? I'd be curious if they waste their time and ammo trying to hit targets when the bullets are tumbling sideways. And if they do, exactly what benefit that serves other than to get used to the muzzle blast and recoil.
1. I've been saying 2 down since the beginning not 2 and a machine gun or 3.
2. I'm really not that scary that I want people to cower under my submission, guess I am a little more PC and care about my fellow brothers and sisters in arms.
3. Believe what you want, but my guess is that due to the terrain and the enemy at hand, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they practice at this level of marksman ship. I know for a fact that they practice to 1500 yards with 300WM, 338LM, and 50 cal's. Not sure if you have been following the threads on the sight, but there are bullets (Hornady HPBT 250, Scenar HPBT, FMJBT 250) in 338 do to their Secant ogive can and will fly through the transonic period retaining stability. Everybody knows that the Sierra has trouble with this transition. Sierra is not the only bullet used in the Military arsenal. Matter of fact, the U.S. has transitioned to more accurate munitions utilizing the Hornady A-max 750grn for more accurate fire for extreme long range. That is what was used by the Canadian sniper out of his TAC 50 for an initial known record of 2450yrds (+/- 20 yards) in 2004.
Another valid argument to this discussion is that the Military is currently trying to decide on a bigger caliber for farther engagements. They are finding the 223 is not up to the task. Current engagements are between 600 and 800 meters. This has put a serious need for squad level marksman that carry the M14 revamped to catch up with current gear. They are using these with great effect, but want to put a bigger bullet in the hands of a common infantryman as well. They are really looking at the Creedmore and SPC. So long range is definitely the practicing norm right now.
Tank
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