300 win mag vs 7mm rm

[mindcrime]

who knows what bottom metal works best for a boyds stock for a remington 700 sendaro la 7mm rem mag

Personally, it's Pacific Tool & Guage bottom metal for me, and I actually prefer the BDL style.

 

[Stgraves260]

Train with a 416 Rigby or a 50 BMG, and you'll never flinch again.

I've never shot a 416 Rigby. But I shot my fair share of 50 cals. M107 more times than I can count. It kicks like a 243 Win. Mr Barrett knows what's he's doing. I don't Cringe when I lay the hammer down. Never said I did. I was trying to answer a question for someone on hear who asked about what ( I ) would choose for a long range hunting rifle between a 7 Mag and a 300 Win Mag. Then all the 300 Win Mag shooters got offended for some reason. I'm answering a question for someone I never met or no nothing about other than he/she wants to build a rifle. I do not know the sensitivity of that person on recoil, nor do I know his/her experience with firearms. All I told was facts. The 300 WM kicks a lot more than a 7 Mag. Weather 300 WM shooters like it or not there is nothing a 300 WM can do that a 7 Mag can't. You can claim the 300 WM is better than the 7 Mag just as I can claim the 7 Mag is better than the 300 WM. This has gone on for decades between these 2 fine cartridges. Never the less there is nothing one can do over the other. It's just the 7 Mag can do it with less recoil. People say they would choose a 300 WM for Elk over the 7 Mag cause it's to small. Yet the most popular cartridge for elk is a 6.5 Cal. On top of that there is a 12 year old boy that dropped a elk at 1376 yards with a 7 Mag and his Father on video but 300 WM shooter will still argue the 300 WM is better. Now could a 300 WM take that 1376 yard shot and drop that elk. Yup it sure could. But better? Dead is dead. I know a 12 year old boy and his family are not going hungry. Thanks to a 7 Mag and 180 Grain VLD ( Berger's) I really hope this person who asked this question can build his/her dream gun. Good luck.

 

[Stgraves260]

I agree. If I saw any benefit to shooting a 300WM compared to a 7mmRM, that's what I would shoot regardless of the extra recoil but after watching 30 or 40 elk get shot over the past 15 years or so by myself, friends and relatives with 7mmRMs, 300WMs, 300 Wbys, and 338 Wins and seeing no discernible difference in what happens upon impact, I'm more than happy to avoid the extra recoil.

Agreed

 

[vitaminado]

Thank you very much to everyone for your help.
This is a phenomenal forum and it has been a great help to learn about everything to reload.
I think the 2 calibers with the right bullets will do the same job.
My choice will be the rifle that I like the most.

Here in Spain we have absurd gun laws.
-You cannot change the barrel to a rifle, unless it is the same barrel and the same brand and model as the original rifle.
-You can't make a custom rifle

-To recharge I have to have a government authorization and I cannot buy, nor have more than 2 ib of powder at home
-Silencers are prohibited, as are night, thermal scopes.

I could give you thousands of examples of all this crap.
I am envious of you, everything related to arms, reloading, etc.
I've been planning some time to make a trip to the USA and meet him.
I would love to see it

Anyway, I'll tell you which rifle I choose
Thanks again

 

[moa_shooter]

i bet you didn't know you can load 195s in a 7mm rem mag

 

[Ingwe]

My 1:8.5 twist Bartlein is 200 fps slower than my 1:9 twist Hart. Is it common to lose that much velocity for a little more twist?

Why are you assuming the loss in velocity is because of a 1/2" tighter twist?

Every barrel, even from the same maker, is different. It COULD be the twist but it could be other factors as well

 

[moa_shooter]

the higher the twist the better the heaver loads shoot because it is a higher twist
PS i did all that homework

 

[Ingwe]

Nope, just because you can't doesn't make it impossible. A .300 WinMag doesn't have that much recoil.

Bravo, VERY Macho post but remember one thing....just because YOU can shoot 50 rounds of 300mag in a row, it does not mean that the 300 mag doesn't have allot of recoil....because it DOES to allot of or maybe even most people.

 

[moa_shooter]

both of my dads 300wm don't have muzzle brakes and the one is a cdl with the fluting and light barrel and that thing bucks and he cant group it because of the recoil management
and then his 300wm 5r 26" barrel doesn't buck as bad but he can actually get a good group

 

[cross]

Why are you assuming the loss in velocity is because of a 1/2" tighter twist?

Every barrel, even from the same maker, is different. It COULD be the twist but it could be other factors as well

It's the first 7mmRM I've ever fooled with with a twist faster than 1:9. It's a full 26" but slower than any other 7mmRM I've ever heard of. That's why I blamed the twist.

What other factors are you referring to?

Factors that I can do something about or factors like, "it's actually a 270 barrel cut with a 7mmRM reamer that's why it's so slow"

Or, you're seating the bullets too deep, or you're not using enough powder?

 

[Bravo 4]

I see your point, but hope you see mine. Most guys will not shoot 50 rounds a session no matter what the caliber/cartridge. 20-30 might be more realistic. Don't think that takes a macho man.

 

[Don A Parsons]

Good on you V,,, I'm sure you'll run with the information you found...

The rifle that fits you the best and chambered in 1 of the 2 cartridge you like...

Keep it simple and enjoy the unit you pick,,, either 1 of them will offer you a good time on the hunting grounds or at the range...

Keep us up to date on what you find for sure...

Cheers from the North

 

[Ingwe]

I see your point, but hope you see mine. Most guys will not shoot 50 rounds a session no matter what the caliber/cartridge. 20-30 might be more realistic. Don't think that takes a macho man.

Of course I see your point brother...just twisting you a little

My brother-in-law, like you, can shoot his 300mag all day long...I sure as hell can't and I bet that the average shooter can't either.

If you can that's great...I have a braked 7mmRemMag and after 50 rounds I'm done.

 

[Ingwe]

It's the first 7mmRM I've ever fooled with with a twist faster than 1:9. It's a full 26" but slower than any other 7mmRM I've ever heard of. That's why I blamed the twist.

What other factors are you referring to?

Factors that I can do something about or factors like, "it's actually a 270 barrel cut with a 7mmRM reamer that's why it's so slow"

Or, you're seating the bullets too deep, or you're not using enough powder?

Some barrels, of the same type, are "fast" and others are "slower" due to differences while they are being made....tighter/looser bore, etc.
Every barrel/bore/rifling is different, even if made one after the other on the same machine.