264 win mag vs. 7mm rem mag

[wasgas]

If I could only own one rifle and it had to be the 264 or the 7mm I would go with the 7mm, I would feel better using it on elk, bear, moose, etc...

 

[Greyfox]

To own one rifle for everything it would be the 7mm mag. Since that would not be the case with me, I would go with the 6.5x284 for up to deer sized game over either. At 1000 yards, no deer could tell the difference between them and the 6.5x284, at least in my experience, has better quality brass availability, less recoil, and is very easy to develope highly accurate loads with the 140 VLD's in the 3000FPS range. For the bigger stuff, I'd use 30 or larger.

 

[LouBoyd]

.264 WinMag. Less recoil, higher velocity, same or batter ballistics, what's not to like?

The 264 Win Mag has less range, less downrange energy, shorter barrel life. Lower maximum BC bullets available. Smaller hole. What's to like?

The obvious choice is to own both. It's not which is better. It's which is more suitable for a specific range, target, and conditions. They both have a SAAMI case length of 2.5" and COAL of under 3.35". Both need a 3.6"magazine and handloads to achieve their maximum performance.

You might as well ask whether a 22LR is better than a 50 BMG. They have different uses.
With the 264 WM and 7mmRM there is a lot more overlap where either would do the job.

 

[Catbird]

I just bought a Sendero in 264. I live in the East and deer is what I hunt. The 264 is a good deer size magnum.If I had the opportunity to hunt larger game like elk I would have opted for a 7mm or larger.As far as power needed goes, I get all I need from my 243 Win, but that don't mean I can't get a new rifle to have fun with.

 

[BIG1LOST]

In years gone by...and for other game as well as deer... I would've said 7mm...especially with off the rack ammo.Today,with better powders appropriate to the bore size,(not mention better light weight bullets),I'd go .264.I don't mind a 26" Bbl.,so ssssllllooooowwww powders avail. these days allow the use of the 85gr.-165gr. bullet range that will do for about any and all but the BIG bears up close.I don't dislike the 7mm,I've owned 2,I just like the uncommon trail .264 v 7mm....222 Rem. Mag v .223....300 Savage v .308...8mmx62 v '06 and so on.To ME ,the .264 is a BIG deer and down cartridge for long range..........just because I like it as such.

 

[lloydsmale]

I have both and love both. Realisticaly theres little differnce. What one will do so will the other. Its about like comparing a 270 to a 280.

 

[Joe King]

Well, I just put this post in here to get it fired up and start a good argument but no takers I guess. I think most of you know I have over twenty top 7mm rifles in standard and all kind of wildcats and love to shoot them. I am like Bill, I think you just need both. I have a few 6.5's also. The truth is they are the same case necked to a little different caliber and very similar ballistics. One is a little better than the other depending on what bullet you use and the purpose so they flip flop according to those factors. My wife definitely likes the 264 winchester better because of the light recoil. They are both small caliber with no high bc hunting bullets with sufficient weight to make them good choices for large big game at long range such as elk when there are much better choices that should be used for that purpose. Heavy bullets in the 7mm can not be driven fast enough to change that much. They both fill about the exact same niche for taking deer, antelope and caribou size animals.

So what your saying is that instead you should go big or go home how about be competent with what you have and leave numbers on paper where they belonglightbulb

 

[lloydsmale]

to me its like comparing the 270 to the 280 both are good and what one will do for the most part so will the other. I like and own both. If i could only have one rifle and had to choose between those two id look at it like this. Both will about do it all but if the largest game i was going to shoot would large mule deer or caribou id probably go with the 264. If what i huntted started with elk sized game and went up id take the 7mag. But truth be told with the right bulllet and load either will take any animal in the US and about the only animal that would make me feel underguned is a brown bear and id want more gun then either of them if I ever hunted them. Good thing is my pocket book would never allow that anyway. So whats my answer? Give me a 264. Its just old school and cooler

 

[Lefty7mmstw]

I voted 7 mag as it is my "the stw won't eat it" bullet disposal system. I never buy things for the 7rem to start with (heck even my brass is giveaway from a couple of guys I know getting rid of their 7rems); it just get's the odds and ends of fiddling with overbore 7mm's for the last 15 years. My current 7rem is a converted adl I put a re-finished rem mountain rifle laminate stock on with fresh bottom metal. It shoots pretty well for a Wally world special with a re-worked stock and orphan bullets.

 

[idaho elk hunter]

What ever a 264 and 308 will do a 7mm (284) will do better! That will get Broz all fired up..

 

[Broz]

What ever a 264 and 308 will do a 7mm (284) will do better! That will get Broz all fired up..

No not fired up just wish you would prove some of your "Claims" But then I guess it is hard to prove something you read or just want to believe.

Now for the record, once more I will say I am a 7mm fan too, actually I really like them built off a 300 win case and have another one on slate, this will be number 4. But your statements that "a 7mm Rem can be loaded to out pound a 300 win" is simply something that ran out your mouth and you have yet to back this statement up.


So carry on, our little 7mm warrior. Many here have already figured you out, the rest will soon enough.

Love Jeff

 

[idaho elk hunter]

Broz..If you had any understanding of anything here you would listen and not run yourself into the ground. I stated that a person could do this with a Std action and rifle. Go talk to the many that have taken a 26 in barrel. 7rm. 180 Berger since anything else to you is useless. molycoat it. feed it with a stout, max, load of retumbo, and a Win Mag primer. Since your so great and you get these thin skinned bullets to run great in a free bored rifle then freebore it to,,It will out pound a 300 win mag! I know you wont so please. Keep your ignorance to yourself

 

[Broz]

Broz..If you had any understanding of anything here you would listen and not run yourself into the ground. I stated that a person could do this with a Std action and rifle. Go talk to the many that have taken a 26 in barrel. 7rm. 180 Berger since anything else to you is useless. molycoat it. feed it with a stout, max, load of retumbo, and a Win Mag primer. Since your so great and you get these thin skinned bullets to run great in a free bored rifle then freebore it to,,It will out pound a 300 win mag! I know you wont so please. Keep your ignorance to yourself

No what you said was a "7mm REM" can be loaded to out pound a 300 win. That is simply not true. You know it and that is why you would not provide the proof when I and other members asked you for the load to do this. Now you want to change it to any 7mm custom or chambering. You stated wrongful info about the 7 mm REM and now you are trying to side step it, and push it back on me, instead of simply admitting your mistaken statement.

No ignorance on this subject here. Just rude stubbornness on your part when you were politely asked to support your post.

Jeff

 

[idaho elk hunter]

No what you said was a "7mm REM" can be loaded to out pound a 300 win. That is simply not true. You know it and that is why you would not provide the proof when I and other members asked you for the load to do this. Now you want to change it to any 7mm custom or chambering. You stated wrongful info about the 7 mm REM and now you are trying to side step it, and push it back on me, instead of simply admitting your mistaken statement.

No ignorance on this subject here. Just rude stubbornness on your part when you were politely asked to support your post.

Jeff

In what other ways can I support it? I gave the load,, everything.. Many of us on here are getting tired of you and your attitude. Go shoot what ever you want at the paper targets. Just do not aim at me.. I wont take it.
AGAIN if you want to support the fact of the superiority of the .308 to the 284 the take a average of all the boattail bullets in 140 gr to 180gr and compare! You can even go to the higher grains in the .308 if you wish.
If you remember, and and can comprehend, I was comparing a 7mm rem mag to a 300 win mag. You twist it around and start wanting to compare it to the 30-378.
If others want to see the demeanor of this stubborn (back at ya) feller check out the thread on Ted Nugget.. Many others are tired of him. I bet he believes a schoolbus is more aerodynamic than a Ferrari.