222, 223, 220, 22 BR, 22-250, 22 Creed

[Bruce Hall]

222BR?
I found a box of 222 rem Nickle brass 200 and the container has 222 BR on it.
They all are neck sized and primed. Next I saw a 22 rem over a 20 ga Savage at
my Gunsmiths shop so I made it a lay away for $600 bucks.
My question is what is the difference between 222 BR AND JUST 222 REM.
thanks.

 

[shortgrass]

222BR?
I found a box of 222 rem Nickle brass 200 and the container has 222 BR on it.
They all are neck sized and primed. Next I saw a 22 rem over a 20 ga Savage at
my Gunsmiths shop so I made it a lay away for $600 bucks.
My question is what is the difference between 222 BR AND JUST 222 REM.
thanks.

I would say that the .222 Rem brass you found that was marked "BR" was brass that was sorted for consistency. The .222 Rem was at one time a contender in bench rest circles,,,, it was a competitive round to use. Todays .22BR is nothing more than the 6mmBR necked down to hold a .224 diameter bullet. The .222 Rem closely resembles the .223 Rem, but not exactly. Todays .22BR is a short, fat cartridge.

 

[Bruce Hall]

I would say that the .222 Rem brass you found that was marked "BR" was brass that was sorted for consistency. The .222 Rem was at one time a contender in bench rest circles,,,, it was a competitive round to use. Todays .22BR is nothing more than the 6mmBR necked down to hold a .224 diameter bullet. The .222 Rem closely resembles the .223 Rem, but not exactly. Todays .22BR is a short, fat cartridge.

Thanks for that, I didn't have any other 222 rem brass to compare with. For some reason I thought I had dies for that cal but not!

 

[Txhillbilly]

I built a 22 Creedmoor a couple years ago and it has impressed me since the first round I shot out of it. I've tried Alpha and Peterson head stamped 22 CM brass, but could never get the same performance that I get from necking down Starline 6mm CM brass. I'm using a 20" X-Caliber barrel with a 1-8 twist. Shooting the Hornady 75gr AMax & ELD-M bullets, my go to load is avg. 3489 fps and shoots like a laser.

 

[DUCKMAN11]

I would buy a ready to go 22 Grendel/22ARC mini action bolt gun right now with matching dies ..... like take my money right now lol!
223ai
22 creed
22-250
I have a soft spot for the 220 swift because it was the first rifle that my dad bought for me brand new when I was about 10. But like others have stated....the brass is hard to find.

 

[highdrum]

I personally kmow there is a lot of difference than the 22br and 22creed, a creed will run 88s 300fps faster in equal length barrels. A 22gt will run within 100fps of the Creed on equal length barrels. My 22gt will run 90 atips up to 3260 before pressure. I run it at 3120 though. It feeds far better than a br variant as well. Powder choices are better, can run H4350 to rl26 and all between in the 22gt. A 22cm does the same thing can burn h4350 to H1000 due to the extrq capacity. Barrel life will always favor the br. I've read many reports of 22gt going 2400ish rounds in prs match shooting environments at the 3100fps area.

 

[Bruce Hall]

So??? Is there a big difference in a 222 Rem and a 222 Rem Br ? I feel they just meant
Bench Rest?
Thanks

 

[shortgrass]

So??? Is there a big difference in a 222 Rem and a 222 Rem Br ? I feel they just meant
Bench Rest?
Thanks

I would think that any .222 Rem that is marked also as BR would just be sorted brass.

 

[shortgrass]

Here we are, after 5 pages. The question was, "'What .224 reamers should I buy" (paraphrasing). So, how many chambers must be cut before a reamer has paid for itself? Yes, the chambering cost is more than the cost of the reamer and gages (usually), so the reamer gets 'paid for', that leaves how much left over for the gunsmiths time, the oil used when chambering, the electric bill, the insurance, money toward the lathe and other equipment, building maintenance? 6-10 chambers? It's hard to have tooling around that is not paying for itself and the overhead of a shop. If 'Coyote Shadow Tracker' is a business, it needs to at minimum "pay for itself". Other wise, it's just a money loosing hobby,,,,,, and were talking a significant chunk of change.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

Here we are, after 5 pages. The question was, "'What .224 reamers should I buy" (paraphrasing). So, how many chambers must be cut before a reamer has paid for itself? Yes, the chambering cost is more than the cost of the reamer and gages (usually), so the reamer gets 'paid for', that leaves how much left over for the gunsmiths time, the oil used when chambering, the electric bill, the insurance, money toward the lathe and other equipment, building maintenance? 6-10 chambers? It's hard to have tooling around that is not paying for itself and the overhead of a shop. If 'Coyote Shadow Tracker' is a business, it needs to at minimum "pay for itself". Other wise, it's just a money loosing hobby,,,,,, and were talking a significant chunk of change.

On more than one occasion when I speced out specific chamber dimensions, my smith would charge me 1/2 price for the reamer to do the job but he got to keep the reamer for future work.

This seems like a win, win to me.

 

[RUFFIAN R - NY]

The 225 Winchester : great brass life and is up there with the 220 / 22-250's . If I was to do it again maybe go with an AI version- super brass and life. Guess would depend on bbl life-speed. Each has there own opinion and there $$$$ size- At the end its just another TOY- so enjoy !!!!

 

[Rflshootr]

We are looking to purchase several Reamers to chamber for the .224 Crowd.
The 22 Caliber (.224) has been around a long time for Varmint Hunting and also getting popular in PRS.
We have newer cartridges out there and always the wildcats.
We shoot a .223 in a RRA AR for Coyotes, Hogs, PD and Chucks and IMO it is a great cartridge. I have hunted with friends that use a 22-250 and we match up our .204 with them for Chucks out to 500 yds.
I do know that the .224 cartridge depends on the bullet weight, Twist rate, FPS. Is the cartridge going to be accurate, DROP, buck the wind, be a barrel burner?
I also know a few PRS shooters that are going with a 22BR for accuracy, DROP, and bucking the wind. Right there that is telling us something if Competition shooters are using and winning about a cartridge.

The .223 will always be here, but what is everyone looking for in a Great Varmint/Predator Cartridge? Higher Velocities, Heavier Bullets, Less Drop
Besides the AIs and Wildcats.
Looking for a cartridge that can be reloaded rather easy and have components available with minimal fireforming.
Is it still going to be the popular 22-250?
The 223
The 220
The 22 Creed?
The 22 BR?
What else?

Thanks much for your knowledge and experience!
Len & Jill

One other thing to think about, if your main concern is PRS, the cartridge needs to feed reliably from a magazine. For varmints, that isn't as much of a concern.
As a side note, I've thought about a 22x47 Lapua....but then I think why not just do a 22-243 of some sort that I can get dies for.

 

[Bruce Hall]

I would think that any .222 Rem that is marked also as BR would just be sorted brass.

Thanks, I think you are right.

 

[Hondo64d]

We are looking to purchase several Reamers to chamber for the .224 Crowd.
The 22 Caliber (.224) has been around a long time for Varmint Hunting and also getting popular in PRS.
We have newer cartridges out there and always the wildcats.
We shoot a .223 in a RRA AR for Coyotes, Hogs, PD and Chucks and IMO it is a great cartridge. I have hunted with friends that use a 22-250 and we match up our .204 with them for Chucks out to 500 yds.
I do know that the .224 cartridge depends on the bullet weight, Twist rate, FPS. Is the cartridge going to be accurate, DROP, buck the wind, be a barrel burner?
I also know a few PRS shooters that are going with a 22BR for accuracy, DROP, and bucking the wind. Right there that is telling us something if Competition shooters are using and winning about a cartridge.

The .223 will always be here, but what is everyone looking for in a Great Varmint/Predator Cartridge? Higher Velocities, Heavier Bullets, Less Drop
Besides the AIs and Wildcats.
Looking for a cartridge that can be reloaded rather easy and have components available with minimal fireforming.
Is it still going to be the popular 22-250?
The 223
The 220
The 22 Creed?
The 22 BR?
What else?

Thanks much for your knowledge and experience!
Len & Jill

.22 GT seems to be gathering a following.

John