180gr ELDM for hunting?

[Creedmoor shooter]

Hornady 7mm 180 eld-m terminal performance (pics)

So I have some results. I started to butcher the deer today. This first pic is the entry Next photo is the back side of the entry shoulder It impacted the thick part of the shoulder blade and shattered it. Entry into the rib cage under the shoulder Exit out the rib cage Exit out the off...

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[loonie]

2 180's behind the shoulder and 1 in the neck but yet took 30mins to expire?

I call b.s. on that

2 180's behind the shoulder and 1 in the neck but yet took 30mins to expire?

I call b.s. on that

REALLY !!!!!!

 

[7.62 Gunner]

How fast were you running the 180 eldm's?

Right around 3000 fps, impact velocity on that muley was 2600.
I've made some close range kills with the eldms as well, yes they'll come apart if you hit an elk in the front shoulder where it meets the leg bone but it still crushes everything beyond belief..
Here's the exit hole from a 147 that I just put through a hog at 30 yards from a 6.5 saum, pure devastation and excellent penetration.

 

[cb4128]

Great info, thanks!

The reason I'm even considering this in the first place is the 75gr eldm's I shoot in my 22 creedmoor are devastating at 3,250 fps.

I figured the 180's would be more of the same but in a bigger package.

 

[xsn10s]

Great info, thanks!

The reason I'm even considering this in the first place is the 75gr eldm's I shoot in my 22 creedmoor are devastating at 3,250 fps.

I figured the 180's would be more of the same but in a bigger package.

I've read they can be "splashy" at impact speed above 2600 fps. I'm going to load them at around 2750-2800 fps where shots will most likely be 400-700 yards. I'll eventually build a 7-08 on a JC Higgins Mauser. Looks like 2600-2700 fps muzzle velocity should make for a viable elk rifle out to 700 yards.

 

[xsn10s]

Great info, thanks!

The reason I'm even considering this in the first place is the 75gr eldm's I shoot in my 22 creedmoor are devastating at 3,250 fps.

I figured the 180's would be more of the same but in a bigger package.

You might look on the Hide for 223 and 77 TMK. Pretty long thread on that combo.

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

Great info, thanks!

The reason I'm even considering this in the first place is the 75gr eldm's I shoot in my 22 creedmoor are devastating at 3,250 fps.

I figured the 180's would be more of the same but in a bigger package.

We've also used the 140 eld-m pretty extensively out of our 6.5 creeds for deer and black bear. It's my favorite bullet combo for thin skinned game without a doubt.

 

[loonie]

2 180's behind the shoulder and 1 in the neck but yet took 30mins to expire?

I call b.s. on that

2 180's behind the shoulder and 1 in the neck but yet took 30mins to expire?

I call b.s. on that

Do you call B.S. on the people that that have Hornady's blow up before they hit the target. Are they liar's ?? They can blow up when they hit hide too when your running them hard. You must kill alot of elk in Wisconson.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Do you call B.S. on the people that that have Hornady's blow up before they hit the target. Are they liar's ?? They can blow up when they hit hide too when your running them hard. You must kill alot of elk in Wisconson.

If you put 2 behind the shoulder and 1 in the neck and it took 30 minutes to die something was going on. Blow up on hide? Come on, that doesn't pass the sniff test. You were shooting a Saum you said, and 450 yards, so your bullet was doing around 2250fps, that's not a speed where you're blowing up bullets on hide, ribs, or shoulder blades. I'm definitely not calling anybody a liar if I wasn't there, but there's more to the story. Sometimes pictures help, do you have pictures?

 

[eoperator]

Do you call B.S. on the people that that have Hornady's blow up before they hit the target.

You read my mind, hornady recommends a minimum of 1:8 twist for the 180eldm. It would take out of the ordinary conditions to spit jackets off with a 1:8 twist barrel. The 180elm has jacket thickness similar to 175eh .308 215hybrid and many others.

These kind of statements are what I consider to be "fuddlore" (regurgitated myth and misinformation) unless the stories have proof and specific details that would sway my beliefs otherwise.

 

[loonie]

I was just looking back to some notes from this load, which was several years back and I see that when running a powder, pressure ladder with RL 26, 180 eldm in 26 inch 3 groove Lilja 8 twist on Stiller action and was having bullets Not get to target when I got them above 3000 fps. I was running them for shooting gongs to 1800 yards so I wanted to see what they would do. The load I was shooting for hunting was a safe load in MY gun running 2980 with RL 26. H1000 wouln't produce this kind of velocity in my Saum. My impact velocity on that elk was 2590 fps at 5200 ft Altitude. I could see the holes in my 5.5 x22 NF scope on the side of the elk. Impacts were 3 inches in diameter. I had pictures but I deleted them because its been a few years ago and I get too many pictures of dead elk in my phone so I clear some out. They are a good bullet for thin skinned animals, and a good long range bullet, but not for me for a elk bullet. I tested them in wet newspaper bundles and they are definitly fragile and not stout enough to be a good reliable elk bullet on bone or shoulder shot. Just my experience with them .

 

[Ucsdryder]

I was just looking back to some notes from this load, which was several years back and I see that when running a powder, pressure ladder with RL 26, 180 eldm in 26 inch 3 groove Lilja 8 twist on Stiller action and was having bullets Not get to target when I got them above 3000 fps. I was running them for shooting gongs to 1800 yards so I wanted to see what they would do. The load I was shooting for hunting was a safe load in MY gun running 2980 with RL 26. H1000 wouln't produce this kind of velocity in my Saum. My impact velocity on that elk was 2590 fps at 5200 ft Altitude. I could see the holes in my 5.5 x22 NF scope on the side of the elk. Impacts were 3 inches in diameter. I had pictures but I deleted them because its been a few years ago and I get too many pictures of dead elk in my phone so I clear some out. They are a good bullet for thin skinned animals, and a good long range bullet, but not for me for an elk bullet. I tested them in wet newspaper bundles and they are definitly fragile and not stout enough to be a good reliable elk bullet on bone or shoulder shot. Just my experience with them .

Thanks for the feedback. So far they've been great for me from 80 yards to 575 yards on elk out of my 7saum doing 2750fps. I guess if I shoot enough stuff with them, I might have a negative experience, but so far so good! They do wreck antelope.

 

[7.62 Gunner]

I was just looking back to some notes from this load, which was several years back and I see that when running a powder, pressure ladder with RL 26, 180 eldm in 26 inch 3 groove Lilja 8 twist on Stiller action and was having bullets Not get to target when I got them above 3000 fps. I was running them for shooting gongs to 1800 yards so I wanted to see what they would do. The load I was shooting for hunting was a safe load in MY gun running 2980 with RL 26. H1000 wouln't produce this kind of velocity in my Saum. My impact velocity on that elk was 2590 fps at 5200 ft Altitude. I could see the holes in my 5.5 x22 NF scope on the side of the elk. Impacts were 3 inches in diameter. I had pictures but I deleted them because its been a few years ago and I get too many pictures of dead elk in my phone so I clear some out. They are a good bullet for thin skinned animals, and a good long range bullet, but not for me for a elk bullet. I tested them in wet newspaper bundles and they are definitly fragile and not stout enough to be a good reliable elk bullet on bone or shoulder shot. Just my experience with them .

There's zero chance that what you're saying is true.
3 shots grenading behind the shoulder and in the neck at that impact velocity is simply not going to happen.
They come apart like a berger on bone at high impact velocity, but even then I've witnessed them penetrate through enough for a good kill.
Splashing on impact in the scenario you laid out is not gonna happen, sorry but you're not giving us the whole story

 

[xsn10s]

I was just looking back to some notes from this load, which was several years back and I see that when running a powder, pressure ladder with RL 26, 180 eldm in 26 inch 3 groove Lilja 8 twist on Stiller action and was having bullets Not get to target when I got them above 3000 fps. I was running them for shooting gongs to 1800 yards so I wanted to see what they would do. The load I was shooting for hunting was a safe load in MY gun running 2980 with RL 26. H1000 wouln't produce this kind of velocity in my Saum. My impact velocity on that elk was 2590 fps at 5200 ft Altitude. I could see the holes in my 5.5 x22 NF scope on the side of the elk. Impacts were 3 inches in diameter. I had pictures but I deleted them because its been a few years ago and I get too many pictures of dead elk in my phone so I clear some out. They are a good bullet for thin skinned animals, and a good long range bullet, but not for me for a elk bullet. I tested them in wet newspaper bundles and they are definitly fragile and not stout enough to be a good reliable elk bullet on bone or shoulder shot. Just my experience with them .

I read that 3 groove and some 4 groove fast twist barrels pushing the 180 eldm hard can cause spontaneous fragmentation of the bullets mid flight. Especially when shooting long strings. Less of a problem when hunting. I suspect a rough throat could increase the chances of mid flight fragmentation. I won't be pushing the 180 ELDM extremely hard on my 7mm RM. And I have 5R 1-8" twist.