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It will for Ca. black bears. I didn't carry a pistol for 45 years there. Come here with griz. Your mindset changes instantly. I started hunting Wy. Every year since 1983. N/W Wy. In 1998. Griz. When I moved here it scared the crap out of me a couple times. Since then I carry bear spray, 10mm pistol, long fixed blade knife and my rifle. I want every chance I can have if attacked. Sometimes I hunt alone. I take my male Chesapeake with me. His ears and eyes beat mine everyone. 😉
Just make sure your dog won't run back to you when it encounters a bear, like most will. Ordinary dog in griz country=trouble. Trained bear dog in griz country = great advantage.
 
Since 2007 I've had 4 friends involved in grizzly attacks in WY. Only one of those situations allowed enough time and space to shoot multiple rounds from rifles. That sow became visible at around 30 yds and died at the feet of two people shooting big center fire. The others were all bowhunting and had even less time and space. One person was actually stalked and ambushed by a male and never even got his gun out of the holster because the bear came out of thick willows and pulled him into a tree by his face. The chance of breaking down a bear at close range with anything other than multiple rifle shots is not realistic. Its head and face and penetration is king. The most recent encounter last fall had two shooters and the empty casings from the 10mm were behind the terminal location of the bear. It is not common to have time to plan and aim well.
A grizzly is an effective predator. That's his full-time job, and he does it well, as well as you do your full time job. So assume he can stalk you without you knowing it. Really should have two people in grizzly country so you can see 360, and try to stay in the open. Not a final solution, but a good precaution. Don't go without a handgun.

There are multiple factors in a bear attack. A rifle is best outside of a few yards, but closer and the bear is likely to swipe it away from you, not being stupid. Inside a few yards, a handgun is best, but you must hang onto it and attend to firing it. A good idea to have your handgun on solidly mounted lanyard so you can find/retrieve it if he hits you and you're still alive. CNS is necessary to cold-stop anything, bear included. Be sure you know how to hit that brain target from assorted angles. With a big rifle (.338 or >) there are other effective target zones. A predatory attack will be a surprise on purpose, but other types of an attack will also be swifter than imagination, depending on distance. The behavior of grizzlies will depend on their local population density; if over the area's bear carrying capacity, as in a unhunted area, people and other bears (esp. cubs and smaller bears) likely become purposeful food. You can turn a black bear with a 9mm; best assume your attacking grizzly can't be turned. Be familiar with your handgun and don't give up!

Bear spray: I know what the "experts" say about this, but strongly question it ("Experts" are too often too interested in preserving the bear): 1) in a rapidly evolving situation, you are likely to be committed to using only your first choice of defense. 2) A fog of bear spray or a straight liquid jet of bear spray on the grizzly's fur likely won't do much to deter him if he's in a committed attack - you're going to have to put the spray in his mouth/eyes/nose to do anything, then best by far if you can catch him breathing in. 3) Bears that are discouraged by an initial spraying can and do come back - make sure you have more than one can of bear spray accessible. Also, there are likely to be other bears in the area. 4) Just like a gun, you must "maintain" your bear spray - replace it at least annually. 5) Just like a gun, you need practice with bear spray - don't leave it to the last second to figure out how to put it into action. 6) Bear spay doesn't always work even if you do everything right. Bear deterrence stats usually include a large proportion of "encounters" with bears that are accommodated to people, like near a ranger station. The bear you meet in the wild won;t be like that and will behave differently.
 
I went with a Tisas D10 2 tone. Wanted the 1911. I see they came down in price a bit. I believe they can be had for around $700.00 now. I have a Glock. Just don't like the feel.

I have small hands. Regular 1911s work fine.
I purchased a Glock 29, striker fire 10mm. Lucky to hit paper at 10yards, close defensive distance in my opinion.
In frustration, and trying whatever I could, right hand, left hand, changing eyes, both open, one closed, placed my index finger under the slide, straight forward. Used middle finger for trigger finger.

I now have an 8 inch circle of holes. Using only the index finger high, middle as trigger finger was my solution.
 
I'd be willing to give up a few and a lot of wolves. If I knew they wanted some I could of grabbed these two. One last Oct. at 24 yds. He had just got done covering up deer carcass from week before. The other was on my cow elk carcass from week before last Nov.. Went back following week. Thats all that was left. Size 12 boot. You getting any wolves or griz there on west side around you , Big Piney, Afton, etc yet ? Wyoming or Salt River Range ? If not I have plenty here I can herd your way brother 😉View attachment 549349View attachment 549350View attachment 549351View attachment 549352View attachment 549353
I don't see any claw marks in the footprint photo. Makes it look like a sasquatch print. Reinhold Messner, a famous Himalyan climber, spent a long time chasing down the yeti legend in the Himalayas. He concluded that the "yeti" is a local bear species. He started out with an open mind, but a mind not raised in the local tradition of mystical thinking.
 
Realistically down there I'd like to have something relatively close. Probably in the truck or something. Now I know last time I was down there that wasn't the case just because I flew with my bow and don't really want to spend the extra money on another checked bag.
A rifle not in your hands isn't worth much. They invented the handgun so you can fight your way back to your rifle !
 
The problem is people have enough trouble putting shot on target with those carltridges shooting at static targets much less under a stressful situation.

Also bigger diameter does. It always mean more penetration/damage; all things equal the smaller diameter bullet of equal construction will penetrate deeper due to higher SD.
Not necessarily true. I do wound ballistic workshops to LE for a major ammo maker and have shot a lot of gelatin in the last 12 years. SD on the .40/10mm bullets in standard weights is terrible. The bullet profile is almost square. I realize that gel is not the same as anatomy but it is a standard for comparison. It gets better as the weight goes up of course but bullet weights and configurations in any of the auto stuffer calibers are limited ( mag length and feeding issues) and velocity doesn't necessarily mean more penetration. In fact it can actually cause less penetration with the same bullet. Randy Garret did a paper on it, which you can find on the Garret Ammo web site.
Penetration is much more a factor of bullet weight, design and construction. Bullet diameter is always an advantage in a properly constructed bullet, however it is a hard factor to put a number to due to the fact that no two shooting are ever the same. Large meplat bullets have a tenancy to travel on a straighter line on contact with a target due to "bow stabilization". The meplat also adds to permanent wound channel diameter and tissue destruction. Any bullet (Auto loader bullets) that has any type of radius (ogive) from the tip to the major diameter, will do less damage in soft tissue due to tissue stretch and are more easily deflected. In fact, in the old days when I had to sit in on autopsies of GSW victims, it was impossible to tell what caliber they were shot with by looking at entrance wounds, especially if it was ball ammo. Even exit wounds with ball 9mm and .45 acp look the same due to approx the same frontal area of both rounds. Tissue gets stretched away from the area of tissue "crush" ( permanent wound channel) and little damage is done by the stretching. Velocity doesn't become a factor in permanent wound channel damage until you hit around 2000 fps. Just my 2cents worth.
 
Just make sure your dog won't run back to you when it encounters a bear, like most will. Ordinary dog in griz country=trouble. Trained bear dog in griz country = great advantage.
He doesn't run to deer . I'm sure he wouldn't a bear. He minds well with commands. I've had him laying next to me watching deer parade by. He doesn't even try to get up. He's used to seeing them at home. A few days ago a doe stopped by. Looks like she has CWD. I tossed her some baby carrots and sliced apple. She ate it up.
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