oneluckypops
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Thanks for setting me straight.
That is defintly impressive, All I have to go by is the 5th edition nosler reloading guide.
With what your getting for velocity what length is your barrell?
1 gun for all???
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Thanks for setting me straight.
That is defintly impressive, All I have to go by is the 5th edition nosler reloading guide.
With what your getting for velocity what length is your barrell?
What you need to do first is pick the bullet you want to shoot. Then you need to match the case to the bullet to the velocity you want to push it. The grain weight you said you wanted 165? This puts you at the top end of the 270. Mid to top end of the 7 mm and low end of the 30 cal range. Have you ever made a drop chart for a rifle to shoot to 1000? I'm just asking to see what kind of shooting experience you have?
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Yes I would agree I need to decide on a bullet. I thought I had decided that I wanted to go with berger bullets, BUT after hearing of the matrix bullets and seeing his velocity. I am second guessing my choice of the berger.
No I have not made a drop chart. I have no exsperience in long range shooting, I trully envey those of you that do. I trully hope that someday I will be able to make the long range shots. That is the reason I am trying to figure out what I want. Because this will be the only center fire rifle that i will have, which makes me want to make sure it can do what I want it to when the time comes.
I do apoligize for my ignorance on the subject at hand, and I also do appreciate all the helpfull insight that everyone is giving me. I am also a member on alot of other forums, so I know what its like when a newbie comes in asking a million questions about what should be an easy answare. I am trying NOT to be that same guy, I am using all the searches I can with as few and as many words as I can to get the correct information. I can really see that this sight is packed with very skilled and knowledgable people so I sure dont want to burn any bridges.
Please dont misunderstand my wants, I am an ethical hunter and realize that just because the gun I have built will be capable of taking game at said yardages I WILL NOT even attempt to try it outside of my comfort range (right now I am confident out to 350). My hopes are that when the gun is built for ME. I will be able improve my shooting abilities gradully.
I have been playing with the ballistics calculators entering the data from the nosler reloading manual and i am comeing up way short with all of these cartridges (well alot of them). I haven't had enough data to use the calculators for the berger bullets. My thinking was if i could find a suitable cartridge and bullet from the nossler book then I would be well rounded when the time comes for the berger. BUT that was before I knew anything about the Matrix bulletts.
One thing to think about when it comes to bullets pick a grain weight you want to shoot where there are a wide selection in that weight. What if you choose a matrix bullet and your rifle does not shoot that bullet well and no one else makes a bullet in that weight? Pick a grain weight where several manufactures make bullets in that grain weight.
The next thing you need to think about after you pick your bullet and case is your rifle weight. The more your rifle weighs the less it will kick.
I thought I had to have a 300 ultra mag. I ended up buying a Remington 700 sendero. To make a long story short the gun kicked so hard that I could not shoot it accurately. Everytime I went to pull the trigger I flinched. It was miserable to shoot. Today I do shoot a lot of larger calibers but my rifles weigh 20 lbs with muzzle breaks. Which make them pleasurable to shoot.
There are no dumb questions that's how you learn. Keep reaserching and asking questions. Try to go to some rifle competions and talk to the guys there they can give you a lot of advice plus you can see lots of guns to get an idea of what you want.
The next thing you need to think about after you pick your bullet and case is your rifle weight. The more your rifle weighs the less it will kick.
I thought I had to have a 300 ultra mag. I ended up buying a Remington 700 sendero. To make a long story short the gun kicked so hard that I could not shoot it accurately. Everytime I went to pull the trigger I flinched. It was miserable to shoot. Today I do shoot a lot of larger calibers but my rifles weigh 20 lbs with muzzle breaks. Which make them pleasurable to shoot.
There are no dumb questions that's how you learn. Keep reaserching and asking questions. Try to go to some rifle competions and talk to the guys there they can give you a lot of advice plus you can see lots of guns to get an idea of what you want.
1 gun for all???
That means, paper shooting, varmints, dogs, antelope, deer, elk..... lots of shooting....
I can't see anything greater than a 30-06 doing it! Even a 243 Win can bust a barrel pretty quick...
If it was me, I would be the owner of a 308 Winch.... Yes... Can be extremely accurate and
with our modern high BC bullets it's not a problem to shoot it up to 1000, 1200 yards
depending on what your shooting. With the right load Elk at 700 yards it's a doer and will
make you really good at reading the wind.
One gun? 308 Winch. will do!
You'll be doing a lot of shooting before you have to worry about a new barrel.
That means, paper shooting, varmints, dogs, antelope, deer, elk..... lots of shooting....
I can't see anything greater than a 30-06 doing it! Even a 243 Win can bust a barrel pretty quick...
If it was me, I would be the owner of a 308 Winch.... Yes... Can be extremely accurate and
with our modern high BC bullets it's not a problem to shoot it up to 1000, 1200 yards
depending on what your shooting. With the right load Elk at 700 yards it's a doer and will
make you really good at reading the wind.
One gun? 308 Winch. will do!
You'll be doing a lot of shooting before you have to worry about a new barrel.
Best answer by far. Let the old man put together something for you being his son I am sure his heart will be in it
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I think you should seriously look at the 7saum or 7wsm. Buttets from 140-190gr with good bc's and same action length as the 270wsm. It can do everything the 270wsm can do and more. There is also rumors that lapua is going to produce 7saum brass.
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Interesting thread.
I sold my 270WSM partially for the same reason you mentioned a few pages back - lack of bullet choice.
I'd consider 30-06 (yes, really), 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag or 300 Wby Mag.
Plenty of brass available for any of them, lots of 7mm and 30 caliber offerings in bullet selection, and enough power without making you afraid every time you pull the trigger. Nothing wrong with the 300WSM either if you want to add one more. Any of them can be used for animals as small as coyotes and all the way up to elk.
Not sure what you meant about "brush gun" in your comment on the 7mm Rem Mag in an earlier post. None of the calibers you need will really be a "brush gun." The only caliber that I ever think of for that is the good old 30-30.
And, you then mention liking the 280AI - realize that it, too, is a 7mm caliber.
FYI I find it easier to own several rifles than to choose one to use for everything.
I sold my 270WSM partially for the same reason you mentioned a few pages back - lack of bullet choice.
I'd consider 30-06 (yes, really), 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag or 300 Wby Mag.
Plenty of brass available for any of them, lots of 7mm and 30 caliber offerings in bullet selection, and enough power without making you afraid every time you pull the trigger. Nothing wrong with the 300WSM either if you want to add one more. Any of them can be used for animals as small as coyotes and all the way up to elk.
Not sure what you meant about "brush gun" in your comment on the 7mm Rem Mag in an earlier post. None of the calibers you need will really be a "brush gun." The only caliber that I ever think of for that is the good old 30-30.
And, you then mention liking the 280AI - realize that it, too, is a 7mm caliber.
FYI I find it easier to own several rifles than to choose one to use for everything.
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Personally, I'd go with a 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag as ONE all-around cartridge... I have quite a few guns, so I don't have to worry about this lol. I usually shoot my 22-250 Rem or 308 Win for practice/chuck hunting, my 7mm Rem Mag or one of my 308 Wins for deer hunting, and I'm looking into having 338 Edge built. But my Ruger 10/22, 17 HMR or my 222 Rem are my squirrel hunting/plinking guns... All right, I'll stop before I write a thesis paper...
What about switch barrels, have you thought about that? Get 2 bolts, one in a magnum face and one in a standard face. Get one barrel in 308 Win and another in 300 Win Mag (on a long action of course). Almost any action can be converted to a switch barrel, but perhaps Savage is the easiest.
Not trying to muddy up the water lol, but it honestly sounds like you may need more than one caliber for the amount of shooting I believe you want to do. 30 cal has the widest and probably "best" selection of bullets to choose from. 7mm has a decent selection also.
Good luck, I wish I had your dilema!
. But my Ruger 10/22, 17 HMR or my 222 Rem are my squirrel hunting/plinking guns... All right, I'll stop before I write a thesis paper...What about switch barrels, have you thought about that? Get 2 bolts, one in a magnum face and one in a standard face. Get one barrel in 308 Win and another in 300 Win Mag (on a long action of course). Almost any action can be converted to a switch barrel, but perhaps Savage is the easiest.
Not trying to muddy up the water lol, but it honestly sounds like you may need more than one caliber for the amount of shooting I believe you want to do. 30 cal has the widest and probably "best" selection of bullets to choose from. 7mm has a decent selection also.
Good luck, I wish I had your dilema
!It can be kind of overwhelming to make such a selection.
Me, outside of a couple of 5.56/.223 caliber rifles I own a .308 Win and I'm building a .300 Win Mag to suit me. I like the .300 Win Mag for a couple of reason, easy to acquire components for reloading and easy to find factory ammo.
If I plan to shoot past 200 yards on most game animals I opt for the .300 Win Mag. If I'll likely be shooting closer then the .308 gets the nod. If I could have only one it would be the .300 Win Mag hands down.
The .300 Win Mag is what I consider a 30-06 on steroids to be. The .308 is a 30-06 Lite. The advantage to the .300 is, for me, the amount of power it delivers at longer ranges. Making such a choice can be a daunting task and one that will have us second guessing ourselves until the end.
I look at logistics as part of my decision making process. If I'm in Podunk, AR and need ammo I want to know I can find it at the local shop without having to special order it. That alone rules out a lot of calibers in and of itself. I also want to know that I can easily find reloading components.
Me, I'd love a Mauser in .300 Win Mag but I like the .30 cals best. We can talk bullet selection and power charts all day long but the big factor is going to be you and what you want. I consider the 180 grain bullet to be the standard bullet for the .300 Win Mag and can move up or down from there depending upon the usage.
I'm sort of a traditionalist and have never warmed to metric calibers, 9.3 x 62 being the exception although I do prefer the .35 Whelen, and like traditional calibers which the WSM's are not yet. Maybe someday they will be.
I hope that something I said was of help to you. Good luck in your decision making process and Merry Christmas.
Biker
Me, outside of a couple of 5.56/.223 caliber rifles I own a .308 Win and I'm building a .300 Win Mag to suit me. I like the .300 Win Mag for a couple of reason, easy to acquire components for reloading and easy to find factory ammo.
If I plan to shoot past 200 yards on most game animals I opt for the .300 Win Mag. If I'll likely be shooting closer then the .308 gets the nod. If I could have only one it would be the .300 Win Mag hands down.
The .300 Win Mag is what I consider a 30-06 on steroids to be. The .308 is a 30-06 Lite. The advantage to the .300 is, for me, the amount of power it delivers at longer ranges. Making such a choice can be a daunting task and one that will have us second guessing ourselves until the end.
I look at logistics as part of my decision making process. If I'm in Podunk, AR and need ammo I want to know I can find it at the local shop without having to special order it. That alone rules out a lot of calibers in and of itself. I also want to know that I can easily find reloading components.
Me, I'd love a Mauser in .300 Win Mag but I like the .30 cals best. We can talk bullet selection and power charts all day long but the big factor is going to be you and what you want. I consider the 180 grain bullet to be the standard bullet for the .300 Win Mag and can move up or down from there depending upon the usage.
I'm sort of a traditionalist and have never warmed to metric calibers, 9.3 x 62 being the exception although I do prefer the .35 Whelen, and like traditional calibers which the WSM's are not yet. Maybe someday they will be.
I hope that something I said was of help to you. Good luck in your decision making process and Merry Christmas.
Biker
