How bad is the 7 backcountry?

Just seems like an absolutely horrible idea for federal. What am I missing?

Joefrazell said:

Just seems like an absolutely horrible idea for federal. What am I missing?

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The other 3 threads beating this to death...

I guess I missed them

Thread 'Federal does it again ' https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/federal-does-it-again-😅.374966/

Joefrazell said:

Just seems like an absolutely horrible idea for federal. What am I missing?

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Basic understanding of economics is what you are missing. Not trying to be rude, just blunt. How is it a horrible idea, if they make money on new items?
Go in the grocery store, take a notebook. Write down the name of every item that says "new". Next year take that notebook back to the store, and try to find those same items. Very few new items are successful long term. But every one of those new items, were sold to that store at a profit. So every year they have more new items, that's how companies work.
It's not like Federal can invent the 22 Long rifle cartridge every year.

Axl said:

Basic understanding of economics is what you are missing. Not trying to be rude, just blunt. How is it a horrible idea, if they make money on new items?
Go in the grocery store, take a notebook. Write down the name of every item that says "new". Next year take that notebook back to the store, and try to find those same items. Very few new items are successful long term. But every one of those new items, were sold to that store at a profit. So every year they have more new items, that's how companies work.
It's not like Federal can invent the 22 Long rifle cartridge every year.

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I feel like it was a horrible idea that's destined to fail. They would have been better off to just reinvent the 7prc. I get it. They'll be the only producers of the components. I don't think it will last long. I see it crashing hard. R&D for 3 years is expensive. Understanding basic economics means you should understand overhead. I'm sure they'll get into the black on this but it's definitely going to fall by the wayside. Hope I'm wrong for their sake.

Technology is stagnant on cartridges. I applaud them for thinking outside the box.

3000fps from a 20" barrel with a 175 grain bullet fired from basically a 280 Ackley cartridge ain't nothing to be mad at.

It already has 80 rifles worth of support behind it.

Where they may have screwed up is not having a supply of cases, reamers and reloading dies available day one. SAAMI listing would have been good too.

Can't have saami listing the pressure is too high

Reminds of remington etronx rifle with electrical ignition system. Actually worked really well, and was outlawed in competition i believe, but ultimately too big of a change with electronics that can fail.

Curious how much ammo price will be. I don't see it being very easy to reload for. Also if you get into pressure signs with reloads, you are well over 80k...... doesn't seem safe to me at all.

nwmnbowhunter said:

Reminds of remington etronx rifle with electrical ignition system. Actually worked really well, and was outlawed in competition i believe, but ultimately too big of a change with electronics that can fail.

Curious how much ammo price will be. I don't see it being very easy to reload for. Also if you get into pressure signs with reloads, you are well over 80k...... doesn't seem safe to me at all.

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Ammo price is basically $50 to $65, right in line with other premium cartridge options. As for reloading that is yet to be determined, sounds like there are no pressure signs at reasonable levels so you would have to follow the book more so than normal.

Then again most brass pressure signs happen well over 70k psi anyway so it isn't much different than the way people operate now.

Mike D Texas said:

Technology is stagnant on cartridges.

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No argument. With the current state of brass, all we can do is tweak dimensions for a goal. Caseless, fail. "Ceramic", fail. There are others that failed. Maybe this will work.

We have a variety of "steel case" ammo right now. Nothing promoted as high performance, high accuracy. Just standard designs in steel (military?).

Price value equation? These standard designs in steel are "cheap" like steel case 7.62x39 at $0.50 each or 5.56 at $0.60 each. I haven't seen how much 7mm Backcountry is, I'm sure it's more than $1.00 BTW: Last I bought Remington UMC 223 at the LGS was $0.86.

Next part of that value equation is cost of one specific material. At the moment brass is very expensive. Just using recycled/scrap as a measure since it is a big part of all products.

By my limited understanding of the economics of production, the 7mm Backcountry should be significantly less expensive than a brass based equivalent to provide a value proposition to the consumer. The "equivalent" to me is the 28 Nosler and while AmmoSeek shows some at $2.50 each, Midway and local is more like $5.00. If 7mm Backcountry is at the LGS for say $3.50 that could work. All my cost models for 28 Nosler reloads are from the prices in 2015-18. I looked up some current pricing and a 28 reload with a quality CEB, Berger or Hornady ELD looks to come out at $2.25 I think. Not counting brass. Not being exact.

So, for me if the factory loads are more like $3.50, I could forgive the no-reloading. If over $5, fogedaboudit.

Savagehunter1968 said:

Can't have saami listing the pressure is too high

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Tell that to the fury.

Relax, technology advances through small successes and failures. Sometimes they walk around in the dark and stumble across something important

Many people mocked Henry Ford for inventing the "horseless carriage" and look where we are today. Touch screen controls for everything. Do I like all the new tech? No, but it continues to advance. Same thing here. Some work, some don't…

Joefrazell said:

I feel like it was a horrible idea that's destined to fail. They would have been better off to just reinvent the 7prc. I get it. They'll be the only producers of the components. I don't think it will last long. I see it crashing hard. R&D for 3 years is expensive. Understanding basic economics means you should understand overhead. I'm sure they'll get into the black on this but it's definitely going to fall by the wayside. Hope I'm wrong for their sake.

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Just curious. I wasn't into rifle shooting in '07 when the 6.5 CM was introduced. For those who were, was it met with the same skepticism and negativity as this new round?