And for fun, what kind of hog leg should one carry as what if 13 raging grizzly bears decided to charge you...
. Lots of silliness in this thread eh
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. Lots of silliness in this thread eh
I love that you state that the empirical, inarguable evidence of how bullets upset and kill, known to all bullet manufacturers, is my "opinion," then state your own opinion about the right tool for the job of killing an elk as "fact."
You then went on to say I belittled you for your "opinion." At this point, I'm not sure that you understand the difference.
You made a nonsensical statement, I'm sorry making light of that offended you. Perhaps grow some thicker skin if you're willing to publicly argue that someone is wrong?
I suggest a sharp toothpick or maybe just a nasty fart will work in a pinch.
Yeah, this hypothetical and every other question has been asked and answered, with visuals, testimonials and insight.
7mm man, just a heads up, the DTAC is my preferred bullet of choice for elk, however, I would consider using the 108 ELD-M as a whitetail bullet before the 115 DTAC Noserings (NR) if you're just going to buy the standard DTAC NRs offered on their site, as the standard-depth cut DTAC NRs will have a delayed upset (about 4" - 5"), where the 108 ELD-M is an excellent bullet for deer, and will upset within 2" - 2.5" of entry.My concern is this, what if you see the bull of a lifetime, he is moving through quick. The only shot you have is 500 yards quartering hard to you. Don't ask why that would be your only shot as it probably wouldn't be the case but just hypothetical here. Your only shot is through that hard shoulder to the vitals. Could a 6mm bonded or monometal bullet do the job, maybe and likely has for some foljs here. But man I sure would feel better with that 175 Nosler accubond smashing right through that tough muscle and bone. I am sure the 6mm kills great but through bone and muscle I would feel better with something heavier. But then again, I am the 7mm man so I am biased.I am going to have to check out those DTAC nosering bullets though for some local Whitetails.
If you call David Tubbs office, you can special order deeper cut DTACS to 0.50" that will upset quicker.
Appreciate the info, 4"-5" makes a big difference in something smaller like a deer. I have shot plenty of bucks with a ELD-X, never a ELD-M. What is funny is Hornady does not recommend the ELD-M for hunting, but people seem to use them all the time on this site just fine. Hornady claims the jacketing is not thinned out enough at the front like the ELD-X is. Apparently it doesn't matter. I have also heard people claim if you hit animals at 3000 fps or greater with a close shot with ELD's that they will grenade and explode near the surface. I have never seen this happen myself though, all the deer I have shot with ELD-X's have been 2000 fps to 2600 fps by the time it hit them.
My response has nothing to do with owning or killing an Elk with a 6 Creed, It has everything to do with the ELDM bullet that was recommended. The ELDM is a target bullet and it is built with a thinner copper jacket. ELDX bullet is built for hunting game. I learned this the hard way some 30 years ago when I shot a 3 point buck that came running pass me and the first shot was at 25 yards with a 7 mag. It kept running towards me and I shot it again at 15 yards, and was going to shoot it again but didn't because I seen and knew that I had hit it 2 times. I trailed the buck up hill for another 1/2 mile and picked up pieces of bone as I followed it and then it quit bleeding and I lose the buck. I could believe that I didn't kill it and asked a couple of friend how it was possible and the older and wise man told me that the type of bullet I was using wasn't made for the high velocity that I was shooting at that close range and he told me to use (swift scirocco bullet).
Sorry that I hurt your feelings.
Yes, this is myth and folklore heard throughout the vacuums and echo chambers of hunting forums, but 100% false. There isn't an ungulate in N America that clan stop a bullet on their shoulder. The statement is obsurd.
Dad told me to use this, so it's true. I read this online so it's true. 2nd favorite: Guide said this so it must be true. My favorite: my gunsmith told me this, so it must be true.
If you think of it in terms of annual sample size, the average hunter's sample size is less than one. Guides are worse because they will regulate and prohibit less than what they recommended on their hunts, so they never see anything different than continuous high-miss percentages with their clients and their magnum .30 and .338 calibers they can't shoot accurately due to the recoil and added stressors of the hunt outside of the bench at the range.
Hundreds of elk and deer are culled with 6mm ammunition annually, so we get an accurate sample size of actual terminal performance if we choose to watch, look and listen to that metric.
memtb
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That my friend……is a pretty strong statement.
That could be correct on a small deer……but we have some fairly large ungulates in NA. A close range, high velocity impact on the shoulder of some our larger ungulates may indeed cause complete fragmentation of some of the preferred bullets "worshipped" on this forum! memtb
It is, because it's accurate, again, with samples in the hundreds over many years
I don't care what people kill their game with, so it's strange to me when others become emotional and religious about defending their mindsets. I know what has worked for us only because we have had the rare opportunity most will never have, and we have bothered to pay attention to what kills these animals. Read a book on it, there's plenty. Start with Martin Facklers career of studying terminal ballistics of bullets. Educate yourself, try something new, think for yourself.
Marky_mark
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This is all false
Marky_mark
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What is pretty clear on this thread is how many people have had inconsistent and terrible terminal performance from high fragmenting bullets. Especially the eldm's and eldx's
med358-boise
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I think folks are questioning how much documented performance there is of a 6mm 103 ELDM or similar bullet impacting at say 25-75 yards (2800-2900 fps).
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