Hate to say it… but I'm much more dubious about the integrity of the Scope than the Rifle.
I bet the Leupold went tits-up.
I bet the Leupold went tits-up.
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New Tikka Not Grouping Well
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Yes sir, I have checked my scope using a plumb line and level.
I plan on trying another brand (or two) of ammo before swapping the scope out.
IMO you are wasting money. Things can happen but I have 3 Tikka rifles and they all shoot 1/2" out of the box with zero load dev.
It's likely your scope.
It's likely your scope.
Trm82
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I don't trust the vx5 and vx6 scopes. Between me and a buddy we had 5 and all 5 would not hold zero or track
I've never had a tikka not shoot tiny groups.
I've never had a tikka not shoot tiny groups.
Gpkhill2
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I've have several Tikkas including the exact same 6.5 PRC Roughtech. It shoots tiny groups with everything factory and hand loads I've fed it. Not saying it doesn't happen but I've never had a Tikka that didn't shoot well. I have a 308 in a SS lite that I thought wouldn't shoot but it turned out to be a Leupold scope problem. Swapped it out to a Zeiss I had and it was sub moa with no load development.
Bang4theBuck
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Many have already covered checking torque on everything, which is true. Based solely on the differences between one ammo (ELDM) and another (ELDX), with the better of the two being more than acceptable out of a factory rifle, I think the problem and solution is right in front of you. You've caused it and solved it in the same exercise. I seriously doubt this is a rifle issue, or a scope issue. It's an ammo problem. That is why so many of us don't even mess around with it anymore. Shooting long range and shooting factory ammo don't align very well, unless you find ammo that your rifle likes, and.it is consistent.
If you aren't ready for the investment of cost and time to reload, I would recommend getting ahold of Copper Creek and buying one of their load development packs and work through two stages of that, and let them make ammo for you. You won't regret it, as it will be consistent ammo with top shelf components.
If you aren't ready for the investment of cost and time to reload, I would recommend getting ahold of Copper Creek and buying one of their load development packs and work through two stages of that, and let them make ammo for you. You won't regret it, as it will be consistent ammo with top shelf components.
med358-boise
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Two things to consider:
1) Tikkas can sometimes be a little finicky getting the barreled action seated properly in the stock. You might consider reseating the action in the stock. The way to tell if that is a problem is that once the action is seated and you have put a little torque on the screws is that as you do the final tightening you will notice the barrel lifting up (IIRC) out of the channel as you tighten the front action screw all they way down. Perhaps, there was an error in assembly.
2) From your post "and the ELD-M averaging slightly less than 1" groups, but having occasional flyers about 2". Less than 1 inch with factory ammo is not bad. Yes, Tikka's generally shoot better and the flyers might have been you. If you can, bring your best shooting friend and have him shoot the rifle; you might have been having a bad day.
1) Tikkas can sometimes be a little finicky getting the barreled action seated properly in the stock. You might consider reseating the action in the stock. The way to tell if that is a problem is that once the action is seated and you have put a little torque on the screws is that as you do the final tightening you will notice the barrel lifting up (IIRC) out of the channel as you tighten the front action screw all they way down. Perhaps, there was an error in assembly.
2) From your post "and the ELD-M averaging slightly less than 1" groups, but having occasional flyers about 2". Less than 1 inch with factory ammo is not bad. Yes, Tikka's generally shoot better and the flyers might have been you. If you can, bring your best shooting friend and have him shoot the rifle; you might have been having a bad day.
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BillLarson
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I,ve had rifles that shot better with muzzle brake off......than on...... added a thread protector and live with it.....
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As a owner of many Tikkas I would suggest pulling action screw amd blue locktite and torque to 44in lbs. Front screw then rear. Check screws on mounts and clean. It's something simple Tikkas are shooters
Every rifle likes something different. You are doing all the right things people have previously mentioned.
When I got my wife a new CVA Cascade 308 I picked up 5 different boxes of ammo. The first 6 ever through the rifle shots grouped just under 1". We did 5 shot groups with each ammo at 100 yards and hers liked the Norma Whitetail 150gr after shooting all 20 rounds of each box. We shot it all to get her practice as she never shot a rifle before.
I then worked on load development for her. It really liked a 150gr Hornady SST over 43.5grs of Varget with glover leaf groups. .3-.4 grn's up or down opens up a bit. I shot 4 different 150gr bullets and 3 different powders (Varget, IMR4350 and IMR4064) to find the right match. Her rifle doesn't like 165gr bullets so far. I just haven't landed on the right recipe. It will take time for you to land on what the gun likes. Don't give up. The right combination is out there.
When I got my wife a new CVA Cascade 308 I picked up 5 different boxes of ammo. The first 6 ever through the rifle shots grouped just under 1". We did 5 shot groups with each ammo at 100 yards and hers liked the Norma Whitetail 150gr after shooting all 20 rounds of each box. We shot it all to get her practice as she never shot a rifle before.
I then worked on load development for her. It really liked a 150gr Hornady SST over 43.5grs of Varget with glover leaf groups. .3-.4 grn's up or down opens up a bit. I shot 4 different 150gr bullets and 3 different powders (Varget, IMR4350 and IMR4064) to find the right match. Her rifle doesn't like 165gr bullets so far. I just haven't landed on the right recipe. It will take time for you to land on what the gun likes. Don't give up. The right combination is out there.
Are you shooting with both eyes open? Makes a difference. I only shoot with both eyes open and I'm right eye dominant so that helps.
A buddy of mine has the same rifle and it shoots lights out. They are guaranteed 1moa out of the box. Tikka barrels are cold hammer forged. As
such they do not have any rough rifling spots and Tikka claims they do not need a break in period.
He shoots Hornady Precision factory ammo with 143gr ELDX. 3/4 inch at 200 yds. 1:8 twist 24". The barrel
has virtually no taper to it and we proved that shot placement varied little as the barrel heated up.
He had 3 one shot kills on white tails this season at various ranges.
Ditch the lead sled and the Bi-pod and try sandbag front and rear support.
Try hand feeding rounds one at a time, not from the magazine.
Look at the muzzle crown for a burr.
Look carefully at any hardware that goes through the stock and could contact the action or barrel. (sling swivel screws) etc.
Were the scope mounts made for that rifle, usually, if they are they come with the correct length screws. If
not then check the depth of the front mount screws, you may be torquing down on the barrel threads or something
like that.
are the mounts in perfect alignment with each other?
Let a friend (that you know can shoot) try a group or two. Take you out of the equation.
I have NEVER seen a Tikka that didn't shoot great. Don't give up on it yet.
I keep a VX-Freedom 1.5-4x20 Pig-Plex scope just for these situations. It is tough and rock solid and simple. If I ever suspect a scope problem I swap this one in.
such they do not have any rough rifling spots and Tikka claims they do not need a break in period.
He shoots Hornady Precision factory ammo with 143gr ELDX. 3/4 inch at 200 yds. 1:8 twist 24". The barrel
has virtually no taper to it and we proved that shot placement varied little as the barrel heated up.
He had 3 one shot kills on white tails this season at various ranges.
Ditch the lead sled and the Bi-pod and try sandbag front and rear support.
Try hand feeding rounds one at a time, not from the magazine.
Look at the muzzle crown for a burr.
Look carefully at any hardware that goes through the stock and could contact the action or barrel. (sling swivel screws) etc.
Were the scope mounts made for that rifle, usually, if they are they come with the correct length screws. If
not then check the depth of the front mount screws, you may be torquing down on the barrel threads or something
like that.
are the mounts in perfect alignment with each other?
Let a friend (that you know can shoot) try a group or two. Take you out of the equation.
I have NEVER seen a Tikka that didn't shoot great. Don't give up on it yet.
I keep a VX-Freedom 1.5-4x20 Pig-Plex scope just for these situations. It is tough and rock solid and simple. If I ever suspect a scope problem I swap this one in.
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Simplest thing to do now is change out the scope to see if it shoots.
