cowboy
Well-Known Member
Anyone heard when this particular event is scheduled to happen or are the people involved watching the weather forecast?
Erik Cortina is going to do the Backfire challenge
- Thread starter HandgunHTR
- Start date
Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum
LRNut
Well-Known Member
What are the sizes of the targets? I hit my gong today at 910 but it was 3/4 MOA high and 3/4 MOA right. Not good enough.
340Wby-4-everything
Well-Known Member
So here is a Long Range Hunting test for all the LRH wannabees.
3 shots at a vital sized target or lifesize elk, or mule deer/sheep even better as fast as you can work the action
Max time for 3 shots is 10 secs (timer starts at the report of the 1st shot) and that is generous (as that is likely far more than you'd have in a real live hunting situation)
6.5 minimum caliber/140gr min weight /3000FPS min (yes, intentionally ruling out needmores and the like as they should not be used on big game over 400-500yds imho)
Results - 1 vital hit of 3 is a fail, 2 vitals hits congrats, but you should practice more and 3 vital hits, well, you are a star and no one should ever give you crap about your shooting skill or your long range hunting.
With all this said, I personally will Never take a shot at any animal greater than 600 and have thus far only taken 4 over 400 (410 antelope, 446 mule deer and 427 elk) and an elk at 505 (all 3 were drt, but that is with 340 Bee, no 6.5 and I love 264 WinMags) and I have killed well north of a hundred big game animals. Before anyone yells and says well that is not LRH, this is JOMO and I respect the game too much to shoot more than 600, as at that distance and greater, far too much can happen with any animal in the bullet's flight time and mother nature always has a say at any distance. I know several guys that can kill steel and paper at 600 to 1600 all day, Some shoot game further than 600, some do not, but I've heard even EC has said before that he does not take hunting shots >600 so at least I am in good company.
3 shots at a vital sized target or lifesize elk, or mule deer/sheep even better as fast as you can work the action
Max time for 3 shots is 10 secs (timer starts at the report of the 1st shot) and that is generous (as that is likely far more than you'd have in a real live hunting situation)
6.5 minimum caliber/140gr min weight /3000FPS min (yes, intentionally ruling out needmores and the like as they should not be used on big game over 400-500yds imho)
Results - 1 vital hit of 3 is a fail, 2 vitals hits congrats, but you should practice more and 3 vital hits, well, you are a star and no one should ever give you crap about your shooting skill or your long range hunting.
With all this said, I personally will Never take a shot at any animal greater than 600 and have thus far only taken 4 over 400 (410 antelope, 446 mule deer and 427 elk) and an elk at 505 (all 3 were drt, but that is with 340 Bee, no 6.5 and I love 264 WinMags) and I have killed well north of a hundred big game animals. Before anyone yells and says well that is not LRH, this is JOMO and I respect the game too much to shoot more than 600, as at that distance and greater, far too much can happen with any animal in the bullet's flight time and mother nature always has a say at any distance. I know several guys that can kill steel and paper at 600 to 1600 all day, Some shoot game further than 600, some do not, but I've heard even EC has said before that he does not take hunting shots >600 so at least I am in good company.
Its Only abuse if the alcohol complaints
A round MOA target at each distance and a 15" by 22" IPSIC target at each target as well.
LRNut
Well-Known Member
The problem with long range shots at game is that you likely only get one shot. All shooting competitions, be they PRS, F Class, or even three position give you tons of feedback on the wind. Eric Cortina's 500 yard blackjack competition starts with the largest target - most people hit it, and the lucky ones, who get to shoot first, see their impact - instant wind feedback. And a range? Forget it - you have wind flags.
The best practice is one shot a day at various ranges and various wind conditions in various locations. In CO I get the first two, but I am too lazy to load my gongs and drive to a different location. I have said it many times before, but it is far easier to hit a target the size of a deer's vitals in the Arizona desert than the mountains of CO.
I do agree with you about 600 yards - I practice daily at 760 (only when the wind is blowing) and 910 (rarely if my wind hold is greater than 3 MOA). At 600, the wind, even a strong one, is manageable. At 910? Very difficult to hit within 5" 90% of the time if the wind is blowing. And the problem at that range, in CO at least, is what may look to be a zero wind condition might be 2-3 mph as your bullet crosses the chasm to the target.
There was a contentious discussion about accuracy on another thread (the one about hit percentage not being driven by rifle accuracy). In my experience, a very accurate rifle starts to make a difference past 600 yards. JMO; YMMV.
akmtnhnt
Well-Known Member
How about 1 shot and 10 seconds to do it. Into the vital area of whatever you hunt. As far as 140gr and 3000fps, well that's irrelevant without knowing the bullets type, it's minimum effective velocity and BC.
Litrfoot
Well-Known Member
Good challenge! Most folks had match rifles. Prone with a bipod and rear bag. Not as easy as people think.
Last edited:
That's awesome!
Seems for big game hunting these guys would use adult sized cartridges.?
So I guess they were interested in a target/comp scenario only, here.
They showed up to shoot the Black Jack challenge and tried this as a separate challenge.....that's why the match rifles.
nksmfamjp
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2004
- Messages
- 3,359
Either way…..not many hits. I like seeing reality.
I hate the 3 shots to 1000yds on my new rifle…..heavily cut mix up videos showing 800-1500yd shots on animals like it is a chip shot.
There is just way too much 1 shot zero, hitting moa target at 1000yd type stuff out there. Then great shooters are like how come it takes me 100+ shots to make a good load?
I hate the 3 shots to 1000yds on my new rifle…..heavily cut mix up videos showing 800-1500yd shots on animals like it is a chip shot.
There is just way too much 1 shot zero, hitting moa target at 1000yd type stuff out there. Then great shooters are like how come it takes me 100+ shots to make a good load?
Last edited:
Grey Goast
Well-Known Member
Cortina I'd love to see some of these long-range hunters with their 300-win mag or there 338 or any long-range big game rifle take this same challenge so they can see how ethical they really are.
