7 SAUM SA 26” VS 7 SAUM LA 24”

Also, quick add:

I would second the above recommendations for a 7SS if you'd like to build a true short action!! I was going to go 7SS when brass was less available for the SAUM... I'd still like one at one point.
 
I went ahead and ordered a long ARC CDG. Now I just need to decide on a caliber and barrel length. 7 prc would be simple and quick since Proof is about to start offering prefits. But I like the idea of less kick for similar performance from an 7 SAUM. And maybe longer barrel life?
 
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I went ahead and ordered a long ARC CDG. Now I just need to decide on a caliber and barrel length. 7 prc would be simple and quick since Proof is about to start offering prefits. But I like the idea of less kick for similar performance from an 7 SAUM. And maybe longer barrel life?

I'm not sure if there's a large enough difference in recoil/barrel life that a guy would notice it.

I'll vote 7 PRC for a Long Action build 🙌🏽

Anyone shot both and can confirm yay or nay?
 
I've shot a 7 PRC with a 24 and 26" so far, around 450 and 300 rounds respectively..
Max with 175's around 3060 and 190's about 2960.
With 180's in between.

I used n565-H1000 with the 175/180 and n568 with 190's. 8tw

Good accuracy was found at 50-60fps less with Peterson brass. I did not push pressure, backed off prior to obvious signs.

As usual, it seems like to me the heavier the bullet the more case space is "justified"

Remembered: I did run some 147 Apex Afterburners with decent accuracy, they topped out a tad over 3200 with 560/565.
 
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I went ahead and ordered a long ARC CDG. Now I just need to decide on a caliber and barrel length. 7 prc would be simple and quick since Proof is about to start offering prefits. But I like the idea of less kick for similar performance from an 7 SAUM. And maybe longer barrel life?
If you want more OOMP, the 7 PRC is your ticket between the 2 choices you have. And if you are looking for a gun builder, @Alex Wheeler - https://www.wheeleraccuracy.com/ is your easy button.
 
I run a SAUM on a medium action with a 25 inch barrel. I'm using the Berger 180 VLD at 2900 fps and have killed a boatload of animals including 3 eland. The SAUM with the 175 should be about as effective.
Bruce
I'm not married to the idea of 175s by the way. I just don't know how fast the saum can push heavier projectiles. But 2900 for a 180 sounds awesome.

Any one ever try the heavy Hammer bullets in 7 saum. Like the 170 grain monos? I imagine if I were to run a twist rate fast enough for that it'd be a problem for the smaller 7s right?
 
Hi everyone,

Longtime lerker here and this is my first post. I am finally getting around to building my "dream hunting rifle". I've been kind of holding off on this until a round like the 7 PRC was available. Now that it's here I've doing a metric **** ton of reading through forums about the 7mm PRC. However, the more I read about it the more I feel like the 7 SAUM might be a better choice. This is based on reading about how many people are getting clickers, having to use a wheeler reamer, the lack of performance compared to what was promised, and the small increase in velocity over the 7SAUM with a good amount of powder more. I would actually love a 7 MAX but it doesn't seem like brass is very available so that's kinda of the table.

With all of this in mind, the following is what I would like to achieve with this rifle. Roughly 3K FPS with the 175 ELDMs and more importantly, since I'm in CA, 3300ish with the heavier monos, 150ish grains. From what I have seen most people reaching these types of numbers are using long actions with long COALs. So my initial thought was to build a rifle using a long action and 24 inch carbon fiber barrel. But I'm curious if it would be better to build a short action and get the extra performance that you would get from long COALs by using a 26 inch barrel instead.

I realize I'm likely just splitting hairs here but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask.

Thanks everyone.
Fantastic question. It's the best imaginable use of a (longer) short action, at least to me… but Phil is righ: if you don't NEED to fit it into 3" then don't. you can meet your goals, or be close enough to not give a rip. In my 3" action, which is on the weaker side of things, 2650 is a moderate load for 180, 2850 is a very warm load. That's below average, but it would be a rare gun to break 2900 with 175 I'm guessing. I haven't read the thread yet, there's probably eight guys proving that wrong. Some guys get much better with different powders and actions. But it's pointless: if you know you want a saum and you are action shopping, just go longer. It's basically penalty free. That's my plan for the next one, to be able to seat the 180s and the 150 class hammers out to full length. Like you the 7prc should check so many boxes for me but for anything it actually does consistently in real life a well built saum was doing it with less drama for 20 years before. Maybe the prc feeds better, I dunno, but hysterically warning people about the saum feeding seems to be wonderfully out of fashion this year.
 
Any one ever try the heavy Hammer bullets in 7 saum. Like the 170 grain monos? I imagine if I were to run a twist rate fast enough for that it'd be a problem for the smaller 7s right?
I talked to a guy who killed an elk with 172s at under 3" off h1000, I do not recall his MV. It was better than I expected, I remember that. But if you ask around here and on the hammer site, and spend an hour with a ballistics calculator, you might find yourself expecting better ballistics and wounding with the medium weights. Nothing wrong with the 172 afaik though of course. Just what I've absorbed. If I were building one right now I would throat it for a 180 lead and pair that with the 154-162 hammers. But a 197/172 setup? Hey why not try.
 
"Unknown" 😉 to some, if you'd like to run a short action action, Unknown Munitions makes a SA bottom metal with an XL magazine option that has an inside length of 3.150". I used it with this Lone Peak Razor SA. This rifle is actually a long throated 6.5 saum for handling 156 Berger's but I had another barrel chambered in a long throated 7 saum. I was originally going to switch back and forth but decided the heck with that and am in the process of building the 7 saum on a Lone Peak medium Fuzion. I do like the Unknown Munitions setup and have been using all 3 bottom metal lengths. For my 338 RUM and 338 Lapua imp the magazine has an inside length of 3.950 which is awesome. I use a lot of Hawkins products but in my opinion for my "hunter dbm" it's Uknown 💯!. I can't offer you much help with barrel length as my are getting shorter for suppressors. That said, as we all know, if velocity is the desired outcome longer is the advantage. Good luck with your build!
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I am running a 24" 7 PRC Proof barrel, 1:8 twist. 180 Berger Hybrids at 2930 fps using N565 and CCI 250's. With scope TBAC Ultra 7 suppressor, it is a few ounces under 10 lb.
 
"Unknown" 😉 to some, if you'd like to run a short action action, Unknown Munitions makes a SA bottom metal with an XL magazine option that has an inside length of 3.150". I used it with this Lone Peak Razor SA. This rifle is actually a long throated 6.5 saum for handling 156 Berger's but I had another barrel chambered in a long throated 7 saum. I was originally going to switch back and forth but decided the heck with that and am in the process of building the 7 saum on a Lone Peak medium Fuzion. I do like the Unknown Munitions setup and have been using all 3 bottom metal lengths. For my 338 RUM and 338 Lapua imp the magazine has an inside length of 3.950 which is awesome. I use a lot of Hawkins products but in my opinion for my "hunter dbm" it's Uknown 💯!. I can't offer you much help with barrel length as my are getting shorter for suppressors. That said, as we all know, if velocity is the desired outcome longer is the advantage. Good luck with your build!View attachment 586431View attachment 586432
I should add for what's it's worth, I personally wouldn't build a 7 saum on a long action though.
 
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