264 Win Vs 7mmRM preference & why?

Almost all (maybe all?) factory built .264WM has a 1:9" twist. Too slow to shoot the heavies, which would really shine with the case capacity. Unless you put a new barrel on ot in 1:7.5"-1:8".

So, I would give the nod to a factory 7RM. More than likely get a 1:9" twist, and able to run up to a 184gr bullet.

If you really want a lefty .264WM, buy a lefty 7RM and rebarrel with a 1:8" quality barrel, and violá. Lefty .264WM that should be a lot easy to find an accurate load with the proper twist.

iiiNelson said:

I've always liked the idea of "gapping" calibers. If you're a 6.5/264 person it makes sense to skip the 7's and go to the 30's. If you're a 7 person it makes sense to skip the 6.5's and go to the 24/25's and to skip the 30's and go up to the 33-37 caliber cartridges for an appreciable difference in the power bands given a similar class of cartridge.

What's "best" is subjective to where and how you hunt… and also what's legal. For larger game like Elk many states out East implement minimal calibers like 27 caliber and up. While many might argue and have proof they've killed with smaller calibers that would be a discussion their lawyer would have to advocate for them on their behalf.

So I settled on 7's as my baseline and gap from there.

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Lol I fill in the caliber gaps

Lee7588 said:

What is the 7cr?

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Lee: The 7CR is my inept abbreviation for 7 Creedmoor.

Easy, 7RM is much more versatile.

In the 2 caliber…..264 & .284, I have four 6.5 CMs, a 6.5x284, three .264 WMs, a 7RM, a 280 Rem, and a 280 AI…..the only one that never gets pulled out of the safe is the 7RM. As has been said here, it all depends on the game/use and for me with these rifles, that's just whitetail. I see no need for anything larger than 6.5. Were I shooting anything larger with these calibers, one of the .284s would get the nod(especially the 280AI)! Just MHO!

I prefer the 7mm to the 6.5 personally, whether that's a 6.5 manbun vs a 7-08 or a 6.5 PRC vs a 7 magnum of whatever flavor. I am also a heavy bullet fan, heavy for caliber regardless of diameter, so I am sure that factors in. I have 22-30 cal covered in a couple velocity ranges per diameter for the most part too. I consider 243 to be an outstanding whitetail cartridge that I recommend to people but I grab a 308 instead every time over the 243 or 6.5, I have never even considered personally shooting anything but paper or steel with my 6.5 because I have 7mm's and 30's that do everything the 6.5 will do and much more with recoil levels that to me are no issue at all. I have shot a bunch of different 7RM and I have yet to have one that I felt kicked hard enough to be a concern in the least, to me. My personal 7RM weighs about 8.5 pounds ready to go, no brake or can, and to me it's a very nice shooting rifle. Change that to a 8# loaded and ready 28N with heavy bullets or a 300RUM no brake no can that is 9# and 212+ grain bullets at full boogie speed and my tune does change LOL, those two ring my bell. Recoil tolerance is a very individual thing and I applaud the guys that stay within their personal limits, to a man they are better marksman, so if a 7 whatevermagnum is more than you like I think the intelligent decision is to find the performance you want in a rifle that you like to shoot and shoot well. Or add weight to the bigger cartridge rifle and **** and moan about how heavy it is the entire time you aren't shooting it, that has worked for me as well.

JiggyIi said:

Lol I fill in the caliber gaps

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Yep!

iiiNelson said:

I've always liked the idea of "gapping" calibers. If you're a 6.5/264 person it makes sense to skip the 7's and go to the 30's. If you're a 7 person it makes sense to skip the 6.5's and go to the 24/25's and to skip the 30's and go up to the 33-37 caliber cartridges for an appreciable difference in the power bands given a similar class of cartridge.

What's "best" is subjective to where and how you hunt… and also what's legal. For larger game like Elk many states out East implement minimal calibers like 27 caliber and up. While many might argue and have proof they've killed with smaller calibers that would be a discussion their lawyer would have to advocate for them on their behalf.

So I settled on 7's as my baseline and gap from there.

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Blasphemy! Gapping....sheesh!
.22LR
.223Wylde
6CM
25CM (X2)
25SST
6.5CM
6.5SLR
6.5PRC
6.5PRC/SI
6.5SS (X2)
7SS
7RM
28Nos
.300RUM

Soon to be building a .300WM.
Need to find a .277 that floats my boat too.

Shot them both and like the 264WM better. Less recoil and does the job as well. The 160gr PPSN is designed for Moose and I have pushed it above 3200fps.

lancetkenyon said:

Yep!

Blasphemy! Gapping....sheesh!
.22LR
.223Wylde
6CM
25CM (X2)
25SST
6.5CM
6.5SLR
6.5PRC
6.5PRC/SI
6.5SS (X2)
7SS
7RM
28Nos
.300RUM

Soon to be building a .300WM.
Need to find a .277 that floats my boat too.

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I confess I'm a gapper
A few yrs ago I decided I wanted to stock up on components but as a hoarder the problem was too many calibers so I got rid of everything in .284 and .277 and 338
All good cals just didn't want to have to stock components for everything.
For me this really helped but I totally get wanting one of everything as well!

264WM said:

Shot them both and like the 264WM better. Less recoil and does the job as well. The 160gr PPSN is designed for Moose and I have pushed it above 3200fps.

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A 160 grain projectile with roughly the same powder charge should produce the same recoil in a 264wm 9# rifle as a 7mm rem mag 9# rifle?

Lionel Boyd Johnson said:

Curious - if that's true, why don't we hear about the "Fabulous 7 CR"?

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Probably because the 7-08 was already meeting expectations and fulfilling its niche. The 260 wasn't doing that because of crappy SAAMI specs. However the 7 PRC is now allowing use of heavy for caliber bullets in factory ammo. That which the 7 mag can't do. Since many of us reload its moot, but to a guy buying factory ammo it's a big deal.

Lenny Foffa said:

Two excellent caliber, for medium game like deer, at medium ranges. ( 300 to 500 Yards)!! Either could be loaded to provide a flat trajectory with high BC bullets, and deliver sufficient energy to kill deer at 300 to 500 yards. Shoot them both at the range every week. Great Fun!! IMHO! For HUNTING, I would favor the one I shoot the best and give it the best scope I could afford, to help me dial in Elevation at those ranges. ( Ex; Leupold 8.5X to 25 X , 30mm Tube Windplex.).

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Just a Note, I don't see how a 7mm Rem Mag max range is 500 yds. Our 7mm-08's have loads that at 550 yds for Elk still hold a minimum of 1,500 ft/lbs of energy and above the 1,800 fps. For deer they are good out to 650 yds. And this can improve depending the elevation you are hunting at. This is with 162gr and 168gr bullets.

My 7mm Rem Mag holds 1,500 ft/lbs of energy out to 850 yds, and is good for deer put to 950 yds. This is with 168gr and 180gr bullets.

I don't own or shoot any 6.5 rifles so I can't say how far they can reach out and touch an Elk, but I doubt any 6.5 bullet will have the energy that a 7mm bullet does.

LVJ76 said:

Just a Note, I don't see how a 7mm Rem Mag max range is 500 yds. Our 7mm-08's have loads that at 550 yds for Elk still hold a minimum of 1,500 ft/lbs of energy and above the 1,800 fps. For deer they are good out to 650 yds. And this can improve depending the elevation you are hunting at. This is with 162gr and 168gr bullets.

My 7mm Rem Mag holds 1,500 ft/lbs of energy out to 850 yds, and is good for deer put to 950 yds. This is with 168gr and 180gr bullets.

I don't own or shoot any 6.5 rifles so I can't say how far they can reach out and touch an Elk, but I doubt any 6.5 bullet will have the energy that a 7mm bullet does.

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Here's my chart.

idcwby said:

Here's my chart.
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What cartridge? Thanks