Wolf Meeting in Kalispell
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RockyMtnMT
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Lived in MT my whole life. Places like Missoula with the Berkinstocks and wool socks have been successful in electing leftists that have stopped the utilization of or natural resources and taken MT from one of the highest per capita income states to almost the lowest. I have lived here my whole life eating the scenery, since I have a million dollar view, because I could not bare living any where else. We have lots of folks come here with lots of money to purchase their piece of paradise, meanwhile the natives are all working service jobs trying to get a piece of their money. Now we have wolves so the out of stater can come and have a chance to hear one howl.
MT is a zoo as long as we have socialist elites running it.
MT is a zoo as long as we have socialist elites running it.
bigngreen
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We know exacltly what it takes to control a wolf population, we have a historic pattern to look at. Right now around here they are gunned from an airplane at the drop of a hat, our gov trapper is one it, but wolves just like coyotes just need flown once and they will get in cover and hold tight. He only guns our county and there are very, very few guys and fewer pilots willing and able to gun from an airplane which is the most cost effective way vs a helicopter.
It took a LOT of poison and long line wolf trappers making bounty and it still took a lot of work, with the current trapping laws it's tough but I know guys tagging a few, being able to snare would really help especially in the more timbered areas.
Poisons are straight out, only a gov trapper can use getters and in today's environment they'd only be used in the back country.
One of the best ways to motivate more guys to hunt wolves is a fur market or some kind of bounty, really if there was a stong market for our fur that would add up more pelts.
The numbers we are killing now is only make the wolves strong, if you look at coyotes, if you go into an area trapping that hasn't had a trapper there for years you'll catch a couple pups a pack and hopefully a couple older dogs, after a couple.years hitting an area hard you'll see 6+ pups per pack and your average age drops and the health increases so right now we really would need to be killing an unreal amount to actually knock them down a little which I don't see possible.
It took a LOT of poison and long line wolf trappers making bounty and it still took a lot of work, with the current trapping laws it's tough but I know guys tagging a few, being able to snare would really help especially in the more timbered areas.
Poisons are straight out, only a gov trapper can use getters and in today's environment they'd only be used in the back country.
One of the best ways to motivate more guys to hunt wolves is a fur market or some kind of bounty, really if there was a stong market for our fur that would add up more pelts.
The numbers we are killing now is only make the wolves strong, if you look at coyotes, if you go into an area trapping that hasn't had a trapper there for years you'll catch a couple pups a pack and hopefully a couple older dogs, after a couple.years hitting an area hard you'll see 6+ pups per pack and your average age drops and the health increases so right now we really would need to be killing an unreal amount to actually knock them down a little which I don't see possible.
One of the things that I like about what F4WM is doing in Idaho- and hopefully we can get going here- is that it is working at beating the out of state wolf huggers at their own game.
They like to claim that all these people are coming here, spending their money, and helping the local economy to watch wolves.
When someone has the chance to come here from another state to hunt wolves and have their expenses paid, they are doing the very same thing. The only difference is that they are here specifically for wolves. Most tourists would come anyway, regardless if they see a wolf.
To me, this could really turn out to be a win-win! We get wolf numbers down, and these small town economies that have been hurt by the lower numbers of elk tags will receive a boost!
They like to claim that all these people are coming here, spending their money, and helping the local economy to watch wolves.
When someone has the chance to come here from another state to hunt wolves and have their expenses paid, they are doing the very same thing. The only difference is that they are here specifically for wolves. Most tourists would come anyway, regardless if they see a wolf.
To me, this could really turn out to be a win-win! We get wolf numbers down, and these small town economies that have been hurt by the lower numbers of elk tags will receive a boost!
I go elk hunting hunting every year in Idaho and I also buy a non res wolf tag every year. In total, I have gone 8 years and only 1 year seen a wolf which was 2 years ago. Unfortunately i was unable to get a shoot off at 300 yards. But if I did get a wolf would F4WM cover my expenses for the trip? I have seen sign of wolves most years but this last year I didnt even see 1 sign of wolves in the area I hunt.
From what I understand, depending on the specific area that you hunt they would pay some expenses however it is a reduced amount during elk season.
Keep in mind, their goal is to help those who are there actually hunting wolves to recover their expenses, not pay for someones' elk hunting trip.
Don't get me wrong- they do still pay out just not as much.
https://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/what-we-do
Keep in mind, their goal is to help those who are there actually hunting wolves to recover their expenses, not pay for someones' elk hunting trip.
Don't get me wrong- they do still pay out just not as much.
https://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/what-we-do
Dale I have no interest in driving down to the Bitteroot meeting when I just went to the same meeting last night and "chat" with you about the demise of montana.
Your just trying to provoke me and needle away, my efforts are gonna be directed in something more useful like our wolf problem. I'm done with this.
It's already beginning.
Please write/email/call your legislator and voice your support! And if you don't support it, keep your pie hole shut.
https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...ce1067ea.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest
Please write/email/call your legislator and voice your support! And if you don't support it, keep your pie hole shut.
https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...ce1067ea.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest
Yeah that makes sense.
HARPERC
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Poison is the inexpensive choice. I think it can be done without it, but I don't think it can be done without the mindset that goes along with it. The wolf has the best PR organization in the world, and I mean the world.
HARPERC
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I like the organizations "bounty" on wolves. The issues are steeped in the economics top to bottom. Trapline trips in Canada are adding economic viability to outfitters cleaning their areas.
I get game departments not caring, the second worst thing that's happened to western hunting are these point systems that allow them to sell hope instead of tags. Nearly as big a Ponzi scheme as Social Security, except nobody makes us play.
I get scarce game numbers drive up auction prices, and allow those supposedly representing elk, deer, moose, sheep, to reap the harvest.
Given the volume of taxed product changing hands in the last ten year Pittman-Robertson has to be flush. More than enough resources to deal with this problem. Yet State agencies keep crying poor relative status, and raising hunting licenses prices.
The day a group with standing sues for an audit, I'll join.
We enjoyed a benefit without realizing it at the time. When stockmen were flying, and trapping coyotes every year, all the ungulates had good rates of reproduction. It works. Why has no organization stood with those trying to hold coyote tournaments? Again until organizations supposedly on our side step up in a big way economically, and politically we're spinning wheels.
HARPERC
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https://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-bill-aims-to-ban-wildlife-killing-contests/995843691?
I don't see much organized support from "our side".
I don't see much organized support from "our side".
