I see less than 20fps ES in the 178 match 308 stuff and it shoots into the same group and zero as FGMM which also has the same es and sd. Both are running 2704-2723 in my rifle. The 140 and 120 eld match was ES 27 and 21fps in the creedmoor in my savage. The customs built by the shop also had better 6.5 about the same 308 es. Maybe you had a bad lot of ammo. Regular ammo I couldn't tell youI have seen way to much inconsistency in hornady's precision ammo to be considered long range in my book. E.S of 100 F.P.S!!!