well,i also didn't buy the zeiss /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif for a gun being made now.and yep,still playing the elevation game with the swarovski on my .25-06 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif,that was the next route i was heading,maybe not now?i have a .010 steel shim under the rear base and it takes me to 500+ a few.clear as can be though /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif 1 1/4 rev up -- 4 down? i guess thats for when they run back in their hole /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif