Why are there no 25's????

Well, my smith says he uses K&P, so I'm checking now to see if they cam make a 1:9 for me. Interesting enough, using the Berger Stability calculator, their 115gr .257 is only marginally stabilized in the standard 10twist. odd, even the best bullet you can get for LR in .257 is only OK in a 1:10, that's why I'm thinking 1:9
 
chinchagabullets is the name of the bullet company I was refering to earlier, I dont know anything about them other than what I said previously. I havent found a web site for them yet
 
What twist would it take to stabilize a 130 vld?
How many factory rifles have that twist rate? Zero would be my guess. Equals next to zero market for such a bullet. It would be cool though!

How many factory rifle in 270 are 8 twist?? let me guess EL-ZILCHO

case in point, no reason for the .257 to be left out. 25-06 are EXTREMELY popular,
Meaning the bullet makers could make $$$ millions

of the ZERO factory rifle that have 8 twists to stabilize a 170 berger, people still are buying them.
Just a barrel change away.
I mean Berger now makes a 170 for .277, Matrix makes a 165 and 170.
Yet Neither Berger nor matrix makes a high bc .257


a 130 hybrid would be ok, but nothing to write home about, Matrix makes a 160 in 6,5 w a .680 avg BC. so a 150 hybrid could be done easy.
Being the .257 and 6.5mm (.264) are only 0.007 in difference, could be a reason.
But so is the 7mm vs ,277 (,284 vs .277)

That being said, starting from scratch, you'd be a fool to build a long range target or deer in 277 caliber vs the .284. the 7mm completely destroys the 270 bore for long range power and knockdown effect. minus the few 27 bore cheerleaders who will tell you how their friend's 7mm took 70 shots to kill some elk vs a single 270 killed it.
For long range target, deer killing fighting the wind, the 26 and 28 bore to trup the 25 and 27 bores, the Matrix 6.5 160 beats out the .277 175 and Berger 170's for bc.

And the same with the .257 caliber (my favorite), I'd be a fool to build a 25x284 vs a 6.5x284 for longrange target or deer hunting. the 140-160 grain bullets will make the dinky 115 .25 caliber look weak at long range

All of them would be equal from 700 yards or less on deer sized game, all of them have varmint bullets w bc's in the high .3's, something the 22's and 30's are lacking



Brings another issue, why is berger stuck in the stone age with dinky 140 6.5's when Matrix makes a nice long 160 grain lvd type .680 bc (avg 3000-1500 fps) 6.5 .
 
If Berger made a 125 grain vld hunting bullet I would not only buy them, I would use them exclusively
 
I do believe swampworks makes a jlk in .257, if I recall correctly the bc is slighty higher than the berger. How true that is I don't know but never the less it is still only 108gr.
 
Just imagine how popular the cartrige would have been if they standerized on a 26-06 instead of the 25-06.

I like the quarter bores also. But 257 is sure close to 264.

Also, I believe the 6mm, 6.5mm, and 7mm are also very popular in Europe which I'm sure helps rifle and bullet makers recoupe their R&D faster having a worldwide market.
 
I realize that the 6.5 and 7mm have better bcs, but that's mainly because they're given the bullets necessary to excel. Shoot, the 250-3000 and 2506 were around way before the creed and 260, yet those get the praise and attention. Just one good 257 hunting bullet, call it 130-140, I'd be happy
 
I realize that the 6.5 and 7mm have better bcs, but that's mainly because they're given the bullets necessary to excel. Shoot, the 250-3000 and 2506 were around way before the creed and 260, yet those get the praise and attention. Just one good 257 hunting bullet, call it 130-140, I'd be happy

The fast twists in the 6.5 were around since before the turn of the 20th Century, such as the 1895 Mau. in 6.5 Swede (1-7). They started with long heavy bullets and therefore started with fast twists. The 25's started with light bullets and later a 117 in a round nose, thus slow twist. I wish it were not so, as I am a 25 fan I have a 25-06AI Sendero and a .257 Wea. but that's the way it is.
 
I believe its simply a supply and demand issue. Note Berger also make less .257 bullets than any other. There is not much a 115 VLDH wont put an immediate hurt on with my 257 WBY. Drop a 100 pound whitetail like gravel.

I would certainly like to try a 125 classic hunter.

Good luck and shoot straight

Bob
 
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