Why 1:11 twist for 30-06?

[FEENIX]

Why does Remington do it in 308?

I tend to think we have a problem with change.

I am no expert, but it seems jack of all trades to use same twist for 150 to 220. I think that is the best point to consider.

Their guns are supposed to be accurate.

Because Remington's market is "primarily" in the US and SAKO's is in the EU. Both have their own respective business strategies to meet their bottom-line profit margin and not necessarily to cater to everybody's needs and wants like yours and mine. Like it or not that's the bottom-line and a choice the end-user has to make/consider ... it's really that simple. gun)

Yes, they are very accurate and as I previously noted, I have a factory (except for a muzzle brake install) SAKO M995 in .300 WM with 1"11" 24" barrel that harvested a MT bull elk at 931 yards with 190 Berger VLD. The twist was not a show stopper for me when I made the purchase but when it is time to re-barrel, it will be 1:9" or faster if I keep it a .308 cal.

As others noted, it will shoot ~90% of bullets available in the market. An "average" .30-06 end-user esp. those that don't handload will probably use the 150 to 180 range and keep it under 300 yards.

BTW, there's two things I love from Finland, my SAKO and my Karelian Bear Dog.

Cheers!

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Because Remington's market is "primarily" in the US and SAKO's is in the EU. Both have their own respective business strategies to meet their bottom-line profit margin and not necessarily to cater to everybody's needs and wants like yours and mine. Like it or not that's the bottom-line and a choice the end-user has to make/consider ... it's really that simple. gun)

Yes, they are very accurate and as I previously noted, I have a factory (except for a muzzle brake install) SAKO M995 in .300 WM with 1"11" 24" barrel that harvested a MT bull elk at 931 yards with 190 Berger VLD. The twist was not a show stopper for me when I made the purchase but when it is time to re-barrel, it will be 1:9" or faster if I keep it a .308 cal.

As others noted, it will shoot ~90% of bullets available in the market. An "average" .30-06 end-user esp. those that don't handload will probably use the 150 to 180 range and keep it under 300 yards.

BTW, there's two things I love from Finland, my SAKO and my Karelian Bear Dog.

Cheers!

Yes!

Steve

 

[Zerk]

The warning is for MY protection, not yours. All we (the good folks on this site) need is some random internet person to think they can reload ammo, and end-up getting hurt, or hurt someone else, and then try to blame us for bad advice, when they had no knowledge or business playing with hazardous materials in the first place.

That's why most of us rarely ever give actual load data, because we know that each individual chamber is going to be different, and react differently to different powder charges. If we do post a powder charge, we generally add a disclaimer on it. lightbulb

Once again, not saying you don't know what you're doing, but you're so new, we don't know you well enough to know your abilities. A lot of us have been around this site (and guns) for many many years, and we all [sort-of] know each other through here, and know who knows their stuff.

Reloading really seems to put sticks in people's bum.


I like Lyman and Nosler manuals. They say most accurate charge. Granted it will vary. But gives you an indication if the bullet likes fast or slow. Also the most accurate powder they used.

Tons of websites where people talk about favorite loads. You are one paranoid dude.

I often Google and see what powder comes up the most.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Reloading really seems to put sticks in people's bum.


I like Lyman and Nosler manuals. They say most accurate charge. Granted it will vary. But gives you an indication if the bullet likes fast or slow. Also the most accurate powder they used.

Tons of websites where people talk about favorite loads. You are one paranoid dude.

I often Google and see what powder comes up the most.

Mud is correct, Not paranoid. I think you will be best served to never stray from a published manual. Cruising the internet to see what comes up a lot does not sound good. With our Hammer Bullets we are constantly dealing with the unknown. We always consult published load data in loading manuals and never stray far from the powders and velocities that are proven to be safe for pressure. You have shown to be pretty green to the art of loading and how bullets and barrels work, based on your statement in this thread. You have had many very knowledgeable folks on here try to help you with good information and it seems like you don't understand what you have been told or the information you are given you just ignore. So it is hard to tell if you are just trying to stir the pot or just very inexperienced.

Steve

 

[gohring3006]

Mud is correct, Not paranoid. I think you will be best served to never stray from a published manual. Cruising the internet to see what comes up a lot does not sound good. With our Hammer Bullets we are constantly dealing with the unknown. We always consult published load data in loading manuals and never stray far from the powders and velocities that are proven to be safe for pressure. You have shown to be pretty green to the art of loading and how bullets and barrels work, based on your statement in this thread. You have had many very knowledgeable folks on here try to help you with good information and it seems like you don't understand what you have been told or the information you are given you just ignore. So it is hard to tell if you are just trying to stir the pot or just very inexperienced.

Steve

Agreed!!!
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[Barrelnut]

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[FEENIX]

Mud is correct, Not paranoid. I think you will be best served to never stray from a published manual. Cruising the internet to see what comes up a lot does not sound good. With our Hammer Bullets we are constantly dealing with the unknown. We always consult published load data in loading manuals and never stray far from the powders and velocities that are proven to be safe for pressure. You have shown to be pretty green to the art of loading and how bullets and barrels work, based on your statement in this thread. You have had many very knowledgeable folks on here try to help you with good information and it seems like you don't understand what you have been told or the information you are given you just ignore. So it is hard to tell if you are just trying to stir the pot or just very inexperienced.

Steve

Ditto!

 

[THEIS]

Hello,

Holy crap, lolol....
Why does this thread make me think of this meme......



THEIS

 

[FEENIX]

Hello,

Holy crap, lolol....
Why does this thread make me think of this meme......

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THEIS

LL! Thanks for that laugh, I had to borrow the meme and share it to my friends.

 

[Zerk]

Mud is correct, Not paranoid. I think you will be best served to never stray from a published manual. Cruising the internet to see what comes up a lot does not sound good. With our Hammer Bullets we are constantly dealing with the unknown. We always consult published load data in loading manuals and never stray far from the powders and velocities that are proven to be safe for pressure. You have shown to be pretty green to the art of loading and how bullets and barrels work, based on your statement in this thread. You have had many very knowledgeable folks on here try to help you with good information and it seems like you don't understand what you have been told or the information you are given you just ignore. So it is hard to tell if you are just trying to stir the pot or just very inexperienced.

Steve

I disagree. Many people use imr4350 for 30-06 instance. You look in a manual they list 10 or so. Sure will work, but talking to people and finding a lot of people use that powder, tells me there is a reason.

Lots of published loads. I am not asking for one developed on his own or made up. But some one could say it needed more speed to stabilize or lost accuracy , when discussing published loads.

I read a lot of people using RL22 and Nosler says most accurate in their barrel. I may try it. To me this is research. But you discredit it.

Same loads come up over and over again, I may try them. Rather than a load no one or few are using. See how it does in my gun. These are not snowflakes. May vary some, but also common ground.


There are websites that all they do is list people's favorite loads. Some how they are not in prison.


Guns are not snow flakes. There may be some individual tweaking, but you are not reinventing the wheel every time either.


Lots of knowledgeable folks here. But I think some close mind, that's the way we always did it folks too.


But I got my answer. Since I shoot 180, and 1:11 would work for me.

 

[Zerk]

Because Remington's market is "primarily" in the US and SAKO's is in the EU. Both have their own respective business strategies to meet their bottom
BTW, there's two things I

Cheers!

Actually I read the US is their biggest customer.



Which I would believe, when.you look how restrictive gun ownership is, in Europe. Plus we have a lot of wide open spaces for high power rifles

 

[MudRunner2005]

Mud is correct, Not paranoid. I think you will be best served to never stray from a published manual. Cruising the internet to see what comes up a lot does not sound good. With our Hammer Bullets we are constantly dealing with the unknown. We always consult published load data in loading manuals and never stray far from the powders and velocities that are proven to be safe for pressure. You have shown to be pretty green to the art of loading and how bullets and barrels work, based on your statement in this thread. You have had many very knowledgeable folks on here try to help you with good information and it seems like you don't understand what you have been told or the information you are given you just ignore. So it is hard to tell if you are just trying to stir the pot or just very inexperienced.

Steve

Thanks Steve, someone had to say it. This dude may know what he's doing, but it certainly doesn't come-across that way.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Hello,

Holy crap, lolol....
Why does this thread make me think of this meme......

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THEIS

Yep... Reminds me of that, too.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Same loads come up over and over again, I may try them. Rather than a load no one or few are using. See how it does in my gun. These are not snowflakes. May vary some, but also common ground.

Guns are not snow flakes. There may be some individual tweaking, but you are not reinventing the wheel every time either.

Even snowflakes are the same thing...Frozen Dihydrogen Monoxide crystals. But they are still each unique...Just like rifles and chambers.

Just because the both say .30-06 Sprg. on the side, does not mean what works in yours will work in mine, or vice-versa. You really need to open your mind, and once you realize that you don't know everything you know, only then can you truly begin to understand how this all works. We're not trying to hide information from you, were just trying to keep you from blowing yourself up, or hurting someone else, and then blaming us, because it is glaringly obvious you are a newbie to this stuff, or seem to have a hard time comprehending the excellent advice given by many very knowledgeable people.