whiskey three precision

[idaho elk hunter]

Not to hijack this thread but what business does Michael own and what is his background in the shooting sports? Maybe he does have the experience to judge this bullet. It is hard to determine.

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

Really? I've got 4 issues: 1) You throw out these grandiose statements substituting them for facts. 2) One of your customers mentioned on this thread he hasn't seen his order, and can't make contact. You minimize it, instead of resolve it. Give the man a date he will see his bullets. 3) Maybe instead of being online indulging in a ******* contest you should be in the shop getting something done. 4) You keep talking about added lines and products, but you can't manage what you've got.

That's my last word on it. There's neither education or entertainment value in this thread.

My apologies we passed in cyberspace #5 Now you're playing the victim. You brought this on yourself regardless of your service.

the party has been addressed privately. ...as it should be. So has our situation with what we are going through. It's the weekend. ....and I'm enjoying time with my family. Again....run your own business and not ours!! Best believe. ..I don't play the victim or look for a hand out. We work hard for what we do day in and day out.

 

[Michael Courtney]

Not to hijack this thread but what business does Michael own and what is his background in the shooting sports? Maybe he does have the experience to judge this bullet. It is hard to determine.

The business I own is BTG Research. In the past decade, I've probably published more research papers than any other American scientist in the field of ballistics. As a founding member of the International Ballistics Society and member of their Publications Committee, I've probably been a reviewer on more peer reviewed articles than any other American scientist in the field of ballistics.

However, one need not have an extensive resume in ballistics to recognize Michael Eichele got it right when he wrote:

Let me be the first to call bs on those BC numbers.

 

[gohring3006]

really??? Do you think I don't speak english??? Ok....let me break it down for you. When you can say they were exaggerated. ....we can talk....I guess you didn't read that these are calculated using Berger and Corbin software, not radar or the God of long range Litz tested. Anything but seems to be not good enough yet folks buy sierra...hornady and Berger like Crack...

It does no good dealing with guys that know everything. You have a great business to run Michael....might want to concentrate on that instead of threatening a disabled Veteran owned small business. Might help matters a little tiny bit......

let me run my show.....you run yours.

With all due respect Mr. Culpepper but all of these bullet companies mentioned have been thoroughly tested and calculated then adjusted for BC by several members on this forum including Bryan Litz. So here's an idea, just send some bullets to the people that ordered some a while your at it send some to Mr. Litz with a request to test them. Its really simple solution to everybody's concerns. I surely would hope you could manufacture enough to satisfy the amount needed to run the test and fulfill the orders of my fellow members. Just a thought.....

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

With all due respect Mr. Culpepper but all of these bullet companies mentioned have been thoroughly tested and calculated then adjusted for BC by several members on this forum including Bryan Litz. So here's an idea, just send some bullets to the people that ordered some a while your at it send some to Mr. Litz with a request to test them. Its really simple solution to everybody's concerns. I surely would hope you could manufacture enough to satisfy the amount needed to run the test and fulfill the orders of my fellow members. Just a thought.....

guys that can out shoot anyone on this forum already have them and are doing their reviews and tests. Why would I want to give our product for the competition to test? Litz is married into the Berger family!! I'm not retarded and I will not send my competition anything to test. That's a dumb *** business move on my part. The folks that ordered them have and are getting their products. Not everyone on the planet that uses our products or is a pro in the real world uses this forum so it's on them to report back. Thus far.....not a single complaint. Hell even one of the customers that bought and disected them on here said it's quality stuff......

we are doing what we can to keep up with demand and expand.......we are small and on the road to bigger things. You guys are growing with us.....excuse the mess.....progress at work here!!!

 

[bigngreen]

I had a very good conversation with Al on the phone, no bullets yet but I have no doubt they'll show now. It seems production issues have been solved so we can get some bullets in the air, I have no doubt that the BC that are calculated will be high, we've been down this road with other bullets that were calculated using the same software. I do believe they should have a good BC and with the care Al is putting into crafting I'm hopeful for an excellent shooting bullet, who else is spinning bullets on a Junke machine in an effort to ensure quality, I feel its worth a shot but I will say how you deal with a customer who is knowledgeable enough to ask pointed questions will make or break you regardless of how your bullets shoot!!!

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

I had a very good conversation with Al on the phone, no bullets yet but I have no doubt they'll show now. It seems production issues have been solved so we can get some bullets in the air, I have no doubt that the BC that are calculated will be high, we've been down this road with other bullets that were calculated using the same software. I do believe they should have a good BC and with the care Al is putting into crafting I'm hopeful for an excellent shooting bullet, who else is spinning bullets on a Junke machine in an effort to ensure quality, I feel its worth a shot but I will say how you deal with a customer who is knowledgeable enough to ask pointed questions will make or break you regardless of how your bullets shoot!!!

Roger that. .....we are on to success and want you guys aboard. We accept criticism when it's due and we accept our failures on the production efforts to keep up...just know we are trying to keep up and do the very best we can to bring you guys the very best a step above anything you will get from anyone from the main stream.

 

[gohring3006]

guys that can out shoot anyone on this forum already have them and are doing their reviews and tests. Why would I want to give our product for the competition to test? Litz is married into the Berger family!! I'm not retarded and I will not send my competition anything to test. That's a dumb *** business move on my part. The folks that ordered them have and are getting their products. Not everyone on the planet that uses our products or is a pro in the real world uses this forum so it's on them to report back. Thus far.....not a single complaint. Hell even one of the customers that bought and disected them on here said it's quality stuff......

we are doing what we can to keep up with demand and expand.......we are small and on the road to bigger things. You guys are growing with us.....excuse the mess.....progress at work here!!!

Thats a broad and arrogant statement saying "guys that can out shoot anybody in this forum." Your not doing much good in customer relations. haha. There are some very accomplished shooters here and to make that judgement is really ignorant and before you blowup and claim name calling. Just remember the definition of ignorant. I bet by judging Mr. Litz's character in his responses on this forum, his findings would be unbiased and truthful. I don't want to upset you but I might give your "pros" a run for there money in a 1000 yard match. LOL. And there are people on here that would blow me out of the water. 1000 yards is a chip shot to some...

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

Thats a broad and arrogant statement saying "guys that can out shoot anybody in this forum." Your not doing much good in customer relations. haha. There are some very accomplished shooters here and to make that judgement is really ignorant and before you blowup and claim name calling. Just remember the definition of ignorant. I bet by judging Mr. Litz's character in his responses on this forum, his findings would be unbiased and truthful. I don't want to upset you but I might give your "pros" a run for there money in a 1000 yard match. LOL. And there are people on here that would blow me out of the water. 1000 yards is a chip shot to some...

no disrespect to you but unless you have won the world title in competition then by all means let's talk.......if not you are more than welcome to conduct the same tests everyone else is doing and so far not a negative response to find at all.... I'm still trying to figure out why that is? And it's not because product hasn't been delivered....

Character is judged in many ways.......I for one am not going to sit here and be run over by guys that have not even tested the product. Test it....then get back to us. No disrespect to you sir. ...

 

[gohring3006]

no disrespect to you but unless you have won the world title in competition then by all means let's talk.......if not you are more than welcome to conduct the same tests everyone else is doing and so far not a negative response to find at all.... I'm still trying to figure out why that is? And it's not because product hasn't been delivered....

Character is judged in many ways.......I for one am not going to sit here and be run over by guys that have not even tested the product. Test it....then get back to us. No disrespect to you sir. ...

Yea your right, I haven't tested your bullets so I have no right to judge them. I'm sitting here rambling on in the name of character,ethics, and respect and I'm indulging in my own complaint. With no testing to back it up. Looking forward to everyone's test results. Good luck.

 

[Michael Courtney]

Yea your right, I haven't tested your bullets so I have no right to judge them. I'm sitting here rambling on in the name of character,ethics, and respect and I'm indulging in my own complaint. With no testing to back it up. Looking forward to everyone's test results. Good luck.

That's a fine way to look at it, but I prefer to consider that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

A bullet company that claims BCs higher than any other bullets of the same weight and caliber has made extraordinary claims.

The burden of proof is on the company making the claims. Customers should not be burdened to pay exorbitant prices for what may turn out to be mediocre bullets for the "privilege" of testing the bullets and finding the BC claims to be exaggerated.

 

[IdahoRedneck]

Thanks for addressing the forum again John, please post the links here when the folks you got going long conclude them. I know that you said you had some NDAs with some if them. I am the one who cut a bullet in half, and I did it because I couldnt get a straight answer from ya in reguards to jacket thickness and straight or tapered jackets. Around Here John, terminal ballistics is a subject of great debates and many know what chariteristics they want in a bullet for it to yeild the terminal long range performance they want......at least for me. Im looking for hunting bullets first with compitition accuracy. have my cake and eat it too......haha.

Not because anybody here that I know of wants to reverse engineer anything, but are more excited about being able to buy a bullet like yours and Als commercially. Thats the bees knees for folks like me.

With that being said, im excited to get em in the air and do expect great accuracy. Im with BignGreen. His thoughts nailed it.

Ive been following your hog threads and must say your reaper is a hammer. Why did you guys decide to go to aluminum tips, was it strictly a compitition thing......cuz the steel sure seems to put the big hurt on them big ole hogs..........thanks in advance.

 

[IdahoRedneck]

That's a fine way to look at it, but I prefer to consider that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

A bullet company that claims BCs higher than any other bullets of the same weight and caliber has made extraordinary claims.

The burden of proof is on the company making the claims. Customers should not be burdened to pay exorbitant prices for what may turn out to be mediocre bullets for the "privilege" of testing the bullets and finding the BC claims to be exaggerated.

Michael, these are a far cry from mediocre bullets, once again coming in here trying to drum up buisness for yourself at the expense of others does not shine a bright light on your buisness......

Pretty sure we got this, everyone expects the BCs to be high as has been pointed out weve been through this with other bullets tested on the same software. The independent testing will roll in and people will buy or not, perhaps someone may even buy some bullets and pay you to test them, wouldnt hold my breath, if you keep chiming in here like you did against Berger, bryan, and eric.

Ill be reporting back with my testing if I can ever get a spare minute, but you should be forwarned, my lab is a mountain, and my tools consist of a tape measure a Kestrel, a range finder, Shooter, And 0-1760 yards, all in real world hunting conditions. And RoyinIdaho for company haha.

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

Thanks for addressing the forum again John, please post the links here when the folks you got going long conclude them. I know that you said you had some NDAs with some if them. I am the one who cut a bullet in half, and I did it because I couldnt get a straight answer from ya in reguards to jacket thickness and straight or tapered jackets. Around Here John, terminal ballistics is a subject of great debates and many know what chariteristics they want in a bullet for it to yeild the terminal long range performance they want......at least for me. Im looking for hunting bullets first with compitition accuracy. have my cake and eat it too......haha.

Not because anybody here that I know of wants to reverse engineer anything, but are more excited about being able to buy a bullet like yours and Als commercially. Thats the bees knees for folks like me.

With that being said, im excited to get em in the air and do expect great accuracy. Im with BignGreen. His thoughts nailed it.

Ive been following your hog threads and must say your reaper is a hammer. Why did you guys decide to go to aluminum tips, was it strictly a compitition thing......cuz the steel sure seems to put the big hurt on them big ole hogs..........thanks in advance.

Thanks Dan......we are trying our best to do better and better with everything we do and I apologize for the wishy washyness on the jackets early on. It wasn't to hide anything bad...just trying to keep things under wraps a little longer for our stuff to get out there.

as far as the aluminum tips it's an option for customers....not a sole choice and the reason being is driven by the Competition world and rules some of them have especially nationally saying that there can be no steel in any of the projectiles so as to not damage their targets.

I agree the steel is a tough bugger but the aluminum will do well also if guys chose to use them.

The .375 Reaper ™ cartridge I developed is a little fire cracker for sure. Guys are still shaking their heads as to how I can get .308 velocities and .458 socom energy levels out of a 16 inch AR 15 platform. And there are videos on our you tube channel to prove it. Guys still talk trash and say it's false much like the sidebar on this forum but I told those guys moths ago what it would do and even with range video of the cartridge in action they still don't believe it. So i give up...lol. the .375 Reaper ™ stands on its own 2 feet and the Firearms blog just ran a national story about it. Recoil Magazine is doing one next along with Soldier Systems Daily. So good things are to come for us.....we are excited. The new age term that holds true for us is " Haters Make Me Famous" we ablige them.....and thank them!!!