Where does the .30-06 fit into the LRH Pantheon of cartridges?

[WildRose]

I have a M1 Garand in 30-06 that my Uncle gave me 50 years ago. Made by International Harvester in 1953 I love shooting it and it does kill deer!
I watched Wild Boar Fever and thought how good the Garand would work for that.
Shoot pull away on their nose and whack them!

You'd be almost as fast with it as he is with that Blaser, HA!

 

[ladebenken]

I still use my rem 700, in 30-06 as my all purpose gun. It has a 16" barrell, with a small supressor, that only adds 8 cm to the length. This autumn i have shot these animals with 30-06 loaded with Nosler ab 150 grain, in 810 m/s.

3 caribou, 245meters, 340 meters, and 388 meters.
6 red deer. ranges from 100 meters to 415 meters.
3 roe deers. 40 meters, 100, and 280 meters.

 

[xsn10s]

Used to be I setup my 06 for 400 yards max. With today's new high BC bullets pretty much what others have said, 600 yards. With one possible exception, using the 185gr Berger Classic Hunter I saw one load that might have a velocity of 2850 fps. I'm not going to say the load because as the other 30-06 loaders are thinking "that's very hot!". Yeah I think it's way too hot too. But if it does pan out at my altitude that's good to 750 yards! All I have to do is zero at 200 yards and I can use my 2.5x8X VariXIII with Premier Mildot reticle out to 750 without touching the dials. For me even out to 600 yards it's a fine tool.

 

[WildRose]

Used to be I setup my 06 for 400 yards max. With today's new high BC bullets pretty much what others have said, 600 yards. With one possible exception, using the 185gr Berger Classic Hunter I saw one load that might have a velocity of 2850 fps. I'm not going to say the load because as the other 30-06 loaders are thinking "that's very hot!". Yeah I think it's way too hot too. But if it does pan out at my altitude that's good to 750 yards! All I have to do is zero at 200 yards and I can use my 2.5x8X VariXIII with Premier Mildot reticle out to 750 without touching the dials. For me even out to 600 yards it's a fine tool.

All you're likely to accomplish with such a load is to seriously damage your gun or at a minimum cause serious excessive throat erosion.

Running a max load of 62gr of RL 22 with a 180gr the load tables only show around 2780-2825fps. Trying to push a heavier bullet even faster puts you into "Dangerous Load Do Not Use" territory.

Mind you that's with a compressed load at 105%.

 

[xsn10s]

Reading is fundamental.

 

[WildRose]

Reading is fundamental.

Yes it is and it appears I read your post accurately. If not, please explain.

I'm not going to say the load because as the other 30-06 loaders are thinking "that's very hot!". Yeah I think it's way too hot too. But if it does pan out at my altitude that's good to 750 yards! All I have to do is zero at 200 yards and I can use my 2.5x8X VariXIII with Premier Mildot reticle out to 750 without touching the dials. For me even out to 600 yards it's a fine tool

 

[xsn10s]

I purposely made no mention of the load correct?

 

[WildRose]

I purposely made no mention of the load correct?

Yes which really doesn't matter. There's no powder or amount of same that's going to produce that velocity with that bullet safely.

 

[xsn10s]

You made the reference of RL22. I did not. And most 30-06 load data is low pressured on purpose. That's because of the possibility of running it in older military actions and semi autos like the Garand. Not modern, stronger bolt actions that can withstand higher pressures of 60-63k PSI.

 

[xsn10s]

Ah yes there is, those who load steady 30-06 bolt action rifles will have an idea of atleast two, if not three powders that will do it.

 

[WildRose]

You made the reference of RL22. I did not. And most 30-06 load data is low pressured on purpose. That's because of the possibility of running it in older military actions and semi autos like the Garand. Not modern, stronger bolt actions that can withstand higher pressures of 60-63k PSI.

I made reference to it because that was the particular load I was looking at.

The 06 does well with powders like H-4350 but to get to the kind of velocity you're talking about you're far exceeding what is safe for the 06 up into the 63-65k range.

You can run H4350, RL17, 19, or 22 IF you can find data for all of them.

2850 with that bullet may be doable but, it's going to come at a cost.

If you want to run .300wm/wsm speeds the 06 is not the way to go.

 

[xsn10s]

The 06 does well with powders like H-4350 but to get to the kind of velocity you're talking about you're far exceeding what is safe for the 06 up into the 63-65k range.

LOL there is a published load that's at 2815 fps @59,781 PSI. But I'm not going to publish it. It's out there. I'm confident I can get to 2850 fps and stay well below 63,000PSI with the 185gr Berger.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Not picking a side here, but I must say... 62gr of RL22 behind a 180 is going to cause some serious pressure problems in just about any standard chambered .30-06 Springfield.

I have a .30-06 AI, and pushing a 185 VLD with 62.5 grains of IMR 7828 SSC (slower than RL22) is on the edge of serious pressure problems, and that load is pushing the 3,000 FPS range from a 26" 1:12 twist barrel. That load is nipping at the heels of .300WM velocities. A standard .30-06 Sprg. will never get there before it blows up the rifle. Another member on here named "JeffNV" also shoots a .30-06 AI with 185 Juggernauts and 62.5 gr of 7828 SSC and his load's ballistics are nearly identical to mine.

 

[gohring3006]

I run a hex coated 208 ELD with rl 17 in Win brass 2750 fps.
2700 fps in Lapua brass.


Just sayin....