What is long range hunting and what is hunted?

[liber]

Ok, in my case let's take a Barnes 127 grain LRX, I can shoot the same bullet in 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 6.5 PRC. Does long range stay the same for all of them because they use the same bullet? I'm still going to be 200-300 for myself, with either of the 3. I can see myself stretching out to 400, so anticipating 500 is probably my limit, and more likely I will try to stalk in closer. I probably wouldn't want to use the 6.5 Grendel, but 6.5 Creedmoor would do nicely at 500. That seems long range to me, but I suspect it's not for this forum. And I will add, 6.5 PRC is not common in LR-308, so one needs a bolt pretty much for that.

The other thing is I see people proud of their kids for shooting 300-750 yard shots. To me that means that 300 is probably the ideal shot they're looking for and anything longer is up to them. I would call 750 yards long range hunting, but 300?

I don't have a problem with any distance a hunter wants to take a shot, kids included, just be prepared to track that animal down if you don't kill it with your shot. That is just pure ethics and most good parents do teach their kids that, so that is golden...just that it doesn't really define LRH.

 

[CRP003]

The other thing is I see people proud of their kids for shooting 300-750 yard shots. To me that means that 300 is probably the ideal shot they're looking for and anything longer is up to them. I would call 750 yards long range hunting, but 300?

All I was referring too is 300 yard are the closest their kills have been and 750 yards is the farthest on average. You decide what " long-range" is. They have killed some closer but with muzzle loaders. I don't look for any particular distance. I look for the animals and generally know if we can spot it we can shoot it where we hunt. If we spot them at 1000 yards and under and conditions are right, we will most likely be shooting.

The "just be prepared to track the animal comment"is silly. Of course any animal at any distance we are prepared to track/locate. I also carry another cartridge just in case. The remainder of your comment I couldn't understand.

The cows were shot 200-500yard. The bull at 15ft. Turkeys were shot at 75 yard and 80, that was almost long range for them. The giraffe was treed by my hounds, it was a pursuit only area so we didn't kill it.

 

[GSRetrievers]

All I was referring too. 300-750 are the closest their kills have been and 750 yards is the farthest. They have killed some closer but with muzzle loaders. I don't look for any particular distance. I look for the animals and generally know if we can spot it we can shoot it where we hunt. If we spot them at 1000 yards and under and conditions are right, we will most likely be shooting.

The just be prepared to track the animal comment is silly. Of course any animal at any distance we are prepared to track/locate.

I've seen deer shot at 50 yards that needed to be tracked.

 

[CRP003]

I've seen deer shot at 50 yards that needed to be tracked.

Thanks for sharing, likewise mainly archery hunters,& mono bullet users.

 

[liber]

All I was referring too is 300 yard are the closest their kills have been and 750 yards is the farthest on average.

I don't know if it was your post or others, I've seen several on here and another long range forum. You seem to be responsible with your kids, going hunting with them and what happens if they shoot at 300 and it runs off to 500-600 before it stops? Then your kids either need to take the shot at this distance or you most likely would. I don't see anything wrong with that, not trying to generalize.

BTW, that's a phenomenal pic, I didn't know a giraffe could even climb a tree, was it chased up there by lions or tigers? Silly me, I always thought they were tall so they could eat the leaves out of trees..."Daniel Boone was a man, yes a big man, then he ran like a...". I sure my dad had taken me hunting at distance. I had to settle for shooting rabbits in the desert with a 22. We had a beautiful mounted buck in our basement, I loved it, my sisters hated it. Shortly after my parents divorced...so that ended my hunting for a while...those are pretty good memories when I was a kid though...too bad my step-dad didn't hunt...

 

[slick Nick]

Worked as a guide for a little while and watched clients that could shoot excellent groups on paper targets routinely miss shots afield. So I figured a benchmark of 3 MOA is about average under actual field conditions for critters without projectiles weapons. Depending on the size of the games vital zone that is the figure of merit I use to determine what is the max distance for an ethical harvest providing the equipment can deliver at least enough kinetic energy at that distance. Nowadays when I get a chance for practice on the rifle range I just shoot a modified version of Service Rifle out to the 200 yard mark. Standing freehand, sitting, kneeling, and if conditions are good perhaps prone. My Active Service time clock ran out back in 97, so that's when I Retired from active duty. Time and tide have withered me physically. So I don't run or swim as fast as when I was 18. The determination is still there, the physical ability has just eroded. Nowadays I only shoot the steel plates of the Red cloud 1K Range on MWR Saturdays when convenient. Fort Stewart only allows .308 Win so I've sold off all the equipment and collapsed the small arms locker to reflect my current usage. Yet I do wish I'd have kept the Ruger Safari in 9.3 x 62 and the Alaskan in 300 Win Mag. So currently my highest high power rifle is a 30-06 Guide Gun.

Haven't shot at Stewart in a loooong time I am still shooting at 17 South when here and then when I travel out to OKLAHOMA I go to FOULED BORE the guys have always been great. You have to close the front range to get a mile shot, but you can go to 1360 I think it was on the front range.
I won't get rid of my tools because of a range though hahaha. Good shooting to you.
Nick out

 

[CRP003]

don't know if it was your post or others, I've seen several on here and another long range forum. You seem to be responsible with your kids, going hunting with them and what happens if they shoot at 300 and it runs off to 500-600 before it stops? Then your kids either need to take the shot at this distance or you most likely would. I don't see anything wrong with that, not trying to generalize

What happens is they shoot it at 50,100,500-600,out to a thousand. It's their animal and they kill it not me. They generally are one shot kills but it has happened where another shot was needed and I'd usually range it for them and help get set up for another shot. The only one I won't let shoot out more than 500 is my youngest

 

[liber]

What happens is they shoot it at 50,100,500-600,out to a thousand. It's their animal and they kill it not me. They generally are one shot kills but it has happened where another shot was needed and I'd usually range it for them and help get set up for another shot. The only one I won't let shoot out more than 500 is my youngest

That seems like teaching your kids good ethics. I didn't get to hunt with my dad, just shooting rabbits. And I didn't get to hunt with my son, and he doesn't really like shooting. His sister is a good shot at the range, when I took her, but he has never been interested to go with me. He is willing to go hunting with me, to help pack meat out, and he will take at least one game at some point, because he likes meat. Both me and him feel that every meat eater needs to take game at least once in their life, or forever be a hypocrite. My plan is to start him with a small 300 blackout, it weighs about 6 lbs with a red dot. re: distance, well, I haven't taken any animal longer than 300 yards, even with a bolt. Under the right circumstances I think I might try a 400 yard shot, but honestly, that's getting a bit far for a deer. I would try to get in closer. I don't associate AR rifles to be long distance rifles, per se. Maybe if I tried to take a coyote at distance I would feel more comfortable. Most of range time is limited to 200 yards.

 

[liber]

What happens is they shoot it at 50,100,500-600,out to a thousand. It's their animal and they kill it not me.

Just for clarification, your kids know they track it down and look for blood and/or animal, right? That's the part about long range hunting that I have never felt too comfortable with yet, if it's across a ravine or something like that... For my son, pig will probably be his first within 100 yards.

 

[liber]

The giraffe was treed by my hounds

I need to read better, I was curious how that giraffe got up there. It looks scared. I'm surprised that hounds could do that to a giraffe, they can sure kick a lion or tiger in the right situation. That's a great pic though!

 

[CRP003]

Just for clarification, your kids know they track it down and look for blood and/or animal, right? That's the part about long range hunting that I have never felt too comfortable with yet, if it's across a ravine or something like that... For my son, pig will probably be his first within 100 yards.

So for example where I take them we usually can see over a lot of country by sitting in one spot. We shoot one and if it doesn't die right then then we can see the pocket of tree or area were it went. Tracking is used but we can generally find them by sight. If it's thick then I mark it on onX or have someone stay and we hike over while the person behind guides us to the location of animal. Here is some country we hunt. 3 of the pictures if zoomed in have my boys dragging out their deer very hard to see but there.

 

[liber]

So for example where I take them we usually can see over a lot of country by sitting in one spot. We shoot one and if it doesn't die right then then we can see the pocket of tree or area were it went. Tracking is used but we can generally find them by sight. If it's thick then I mark it on onX or have someone stay and we hike over while the person behind guides us to the location of animal. Here is some country we hunt. 3 of the pictures if zoomed in have my boys dragging out their deer very hard to see but there.

I'm impressed. And the one they're dragging their deer out...priceless, as you're obviously waiting up on the hill.