What’s up with Hornady’s reloading podcast?

[6.5x300 WBY]

Wow! Sounds like you need to be shooting some benchrest with that .2 gun!

Let's see some pictures of your .2, 20 shot groups

Here you go. Circles are .5 or .6 circles

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

I think this is the disconnect. Guys will shoot a 3-5 shot group at .25 and say I have a 1/4" gun. Then they'll shoot the same 3-5 shot and now it's .6", must be the shooter.

Hornady is saying that if you shoot a 10, 20, 30 shot group that's what your gun does. The "flier" that the 3-5 shot guy dismisses counts just as much as the 2 that go in the same hole.

I will add I can't shoot a 20 or 30 shot single group. I fall apart. But doing 5 or 6 5 shot groups I can do better. Repeat I can't do a single 30 round group. I have mental explosion. Lol

 

[Barrelnut]

What, the old adage "3 shots test the rifle and 5 shots test the shooter" no longer applies?

Listened to this Hornady podcast while back. Liked the idea of determining your final zero with a 10+ round sample size. Putting the rifles zero in the center of that dispersion (whatever size that is) is probably a good idea.

I agree they are hawking their products some in the podcasts. They have this fine line to walk between their loaded ammo and individual components too.

 

[stiff neck]

I will add I can't shoot a 20 or 30 shot single group. I fall apart. But doing 5 or 6 5 shot groups I can do better. Repeat I can't do a single 30 round group. I have mental explosion. Lol

These guys at the top levels of competition are not shooting like a regular guy. They are using $2-$3k joystick front rests with specially designed stocks/forends that control rifle movement while aiming and under recoil etc with a 50 or 80x scope. It's sooo much easier to confidently shoot a 10 or 20 shot group when you can eliminate 90% of human aiming error. "You and I" couldn't ever replicate that with even a nice typical LR hunting rifle on a bipod or $200 front rest, and neither could they. It takes special equipment.

 

[BlackTail30]

Here you go. Circles are .5 or .6 circles

If those are .5 circles, what are you shooting? A .177 pellet gun can't go 3 wide on .5 circle.

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

These guys at the top levels of competition are not shooting like a regular guy. They are using $2-$3k joystick front rests with specially designed stocks/forends that control rifle movement while aiming and under recoil etc with a 50 or 80x scope. It's sooo much easier to confidently shoot a 10 or 20 shot group when you can eliminate 90% of human aiming error. "You and I" couldn't ever replicate that with even a nice typical LR hunting rifle on a bipod or $200 front rest, and neither could they. It takes special equipment.

That's good to know. I'm not that terrible. But my concentration on too many shots in a row is exhausting. Mentally spent

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

If those are .5 circles, what are you shooting? A .177 pellet gun can't go 3 wide on .5 circle.
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6 cm

I'll measure again its been a few months since I measured

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

It's all good. Enjoy the conversation.

 

[BlackTail30]

Lol I don't own a .177 anything. None is able to go 3 wide across it. But whatever . Always someone in a group lol. Believe it or not. Whatever

I'm not trying to throw stones. It's fantastic shooting! Sincerely it is. Just looked like tiny holes for a 1/2" target.

The other thing that it doesn't seem like you're doing there is normalizing all groups for the same POI. You can't shoot a .2 over here and .3 over there and say this is a 20 shot .2 average. A true .2 gun would put EVERY, SINGLE, SHOT inside the circle in the same quarter of that circle. If you normalized all those groups for POA/POI I'm guessing you'd be seeing a .5 to .6 for all shots. Which, again, is absolutely FANTASTIC shooting. It's just not that different than the .7 you threw out to begin with. And that is the whole point of the Hornady podcast.

 

[cajun]

What I have found is that having the right bullet powder combination is most of the battle. And if it's not right playing around with .3 grains of powder or .005 seating depths is a waste of time. Take the 6.5 creedmore. H4350 is the powder. Put a 140 in there and it's going to shoot. If not sell the rifle lol. I ran a .3 grain ladder over 8 shots thats like 2.4 grains of powder. All 8 shots landed within an inch. So I picked 42 grains and ran a seating ladder. Same thing. Now if your a benchrest guy thats another thing. But for the average hunter prs shooter it's good enough. So yes I think there is some truth in what they are saying. I also think a lot of guys do not shoot enough to really verify what they think they are seeing.

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

I see your point. I would love to be able to do 20 or 30 but I get exhausted and I fall apart.

I also just found a picture as this could be my 22. So I took and deleted my post. As I am not 100% sure it's my 6cm. But my 6cm targets are extremely similar.

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

I'm not trying to throw stones. It's fantastic shooting! Sincerely it is. Just looked like tiny holes for a 1/2" target.

The other thing that it doesn't seem like you're doing there is normalizing all groups for the same POI. You can't shoot a .2 over here and .3 over there and say this is a 20 shot .2 average. A true .2 gun would put EVERY, SINGLE, SHOT inside the circle in the same quarter of that circle. If you normalized all those groups for POA/POI I'm guessing you'd be seeing a .5 to .6 for all shots. Which, again, is absolutely FANTASTIC shooting. It's just not that different than the .7 you threw out to begin with. And that is the whole point of the Hornady podcast.

^^

 

[Huntnful]

I see your point. I would love to be able to do 20 or 30 but I get exhausted and I fall apart.

I also just found a picture as this could be my 22. So I took and deleted my post. As I am not 100% sure it's my 6cm. But my 6cm targets are extremely similar.

We love some good honesty around here anyways . Those are excellent groups with VERY similar POI. I'd be proud to own and shoot that rifle

 

[PlumberEd]

I see your point. I would love to be able to do 20 or 30 but I get exhausted and I fall apart.

I also just found a picture as this could be my 22. So I took and deleted my post. As I am not 100% sure it's my 6cm. But my 6cm targets are extremely similar.

You did some fantastic shooting and I can understand not being able to shoot 20 shots in one string. How about shooting at the same target in multiple sessions? Wouldn't this give a better idea of the true dispersion of the load?