well if you are realy looking a the best (bang for your buck) then take a look at savages new varmint hunter comes with a h&s stock for like 750.00 are just go with there model 12 for 500.00. i think you are paying for the name with weatherby and kimber. a savage will shoot just as good if not better and you have a lot of money left for a good scope /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif