Well, here is a statistic, the first 100 out of 100 are being repaired according to the other post.
And here are more with Mike's replies to some of them. Yet he claims 'We are on a lot of forums and we have not come across it.'
You can try to take what I have said out of, context that is up to you. I have seen Jon A post nowhere do I deny it mater of fact I address it here on page 3. What I was referring to was your post "100 out of 100 being repaired". Were do you come up with this #? As far as I have read it is the same 2 guys NO 100 out of 100. Now I see this one about the turret turning to easy so now 3 no 100. I'm sure if he has an issues he has an issue. The two PST that I tested there turrets did not turn to easy but they were not stiff like Nightforce, S&B, or the USO EREK. The PST turrets were about as stiff as a USO #1 turret or Leupold target turret (not MARK 4). You can hear the click in the video we did. I could hold the PST turret parallel to the floor and the scope would not rotate this was a good sign to me.
Mike decided to try to discredit my post instead of just acknowledging the problem. My subsequent posts have only been to prove I was correct and show how Mike is misleading and being deceptive in his posts regarding the problems and manipulating the stats.
Sorry you feel like I'm trying discredit your post at that time. When I see you state false info I will say something. I have not seen you proving you were correct anywhere. I did acknowledge their issues on page 2, 5th post down I was quoting you. If anyone is trying to discredit a post you may what to reevaluate who it is. I have not called any of your post "lame attempt". If you pointed out the facts and did not (as you would say) manipulate the stats (100 out of 100) I would not have disagreed with you.
I have no problem call a product out and I have on a few we sell and stock. When Premier (USA / European made) came out with there fist 3-15x50mm 22 MIL-RAD turret I was talking about the tracking / backlash issues. Some of their scopes had an error of up to 2/10 of a MIL per MIL this is a lot more than 3% of error. I also talked about their turrets not being positive. We had faith they would get it fixed and Premier did. We talked about IOR 6-24x50mm with exposited turrets when they fist came out and the issues it had and we had them in stock but would not sell them without tell the buy the issues we saw. The list goes on. This is how we got the nick name Straight Shooter of the Industry.
Last, if you guys want to keep buying the China crap, that is your choice. Just remember that the trade imbalance won't get corrected and our economy will continue to suffer as long as you continue that practice. Maybe it is not yet affecting you personally, but it is affecting the country. Your children and grandchildren will ultimately end up paying for it.
Your statement applies to European stuff, would it not? If so by stating the above statement then buying Zeiss a Germany scopes like you did a few weeks ago sound a little hypercritical don't you think? Or does it not apply to due to the quality of Zeiss?
Posted 7/10/10 eiss Victory Diavari 6-24x56 T* Rapid Z-1000 Reticle Posted By A/C Guy
http://www.longrangehunting.com/for...diavari-6-24x56-t-rapid-z-1000-reticle-58631/
3 of 25 NOT THAT BAD?!?!
For quality, I'll stick with the European or American made optics. Asian stuff is made too cheaply.
For the price the PST offers a lot of nice features but the PST does not come close to the PRH, S&B, USO, and Nightforce. Again Nightforce Optics makes some of the most reliable scopes on the market even if it Asian made.
My last post in this thread and on this topic.
From Sniper's Hide:
""Problem #1: The reticle is canted by roughly 1.2 degrees with respect to erector movement. It's not enough to be obvious to the eye, but it's enough to cause problems. This means for every 10 mils you click up, you need to click to the right two clicks in order to keep from dialing windage you didn't want. "
"Problem #2: The click value is about 3% off. 97 clicks moves 10 Mils, even by measure of its own reticle--.... such a large amount does not make me happy with a scope. ....a PST with this large an error just isn't right."
The issues above, I talked about them on page 3 of this post with out naming names or the exact issue. Again the errors were well with in high end manufacture SPECS. As a manufacture and you have a customer complain about it you do what you can to fix it and this is what Vortex's is doing. If you read post that on the HIDE I addressed it there also.
I have an S&B that has gone back 5 times for tracking and holding an impact issues. S&B,USO, PRH, and Leupold have all had the same issues a long with blobs on their RETS. As for the issues is see Vortex having are not uncommon especially for a new line.
To recap the 3 PST scopes that have issues:
Scope 1 Blob on the leans. (not a mechanical failure)
Scope 2 Ret out but 1.2 degrees out of cant and 3% turret travel error. (well with in spec but can be looked at as mechanical failure)
Scope 3 turrets turn to easy. (I have not seen this scope but if the customer is not happy with the scope it is the companies obligation to make the customer happy and the scope with in SPEC.)
