stephen newberry
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I'm looking for any pro's or con's about this M.L
Thanks Stephen
Thanks Stephen
Ultimate M. L. 50 cal
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distantfoe
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Ultimate M.L.
Cons - it uses black powder or black powder substitutes only. If legal in your area, go smokeless you won't be disappointed.
Pros - ?
Cons - it uses black powder or black powder substitutes only. If legal in your area, go smokeless you won't be disappointed.
Pros - ?
RMulhern
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Smokeless??
I don't think so! Savage....needs to go back to the drawing board with their so-called 'smokeless' ML! Smokeless powder is much more difficult to ignite than blackpowder and IMO....the breech-plug on the Savage is built with a lot of length to it such that the flashtube is much too long and even with the powders that Savage is recommending.....ignition is not consistant! The 209 primer just isn't hot enough to 'jump' 1 1/2" to lite things up...in a consistant manner. Think about this: In a regular smokeless powder case....the powder sits right atop the primer and a F215 primer lights the powder up quite well. The 'fire'....doesn't have to jump at all and ignition is excellent! No so....with the design of the Savage and especially with a 209 primer!
Blackpowder is the MOST ACCURATE powder in the world! Bar none! And anyone that has done any reading of historical events involving shooting know about this! Blackpowder is used on battleships and one of those big guns can drop a round atop your head from 25 miles off and that's no BS! What gives folks the 'willies' about BP....is the fact that supposedly BP is corrosive and difficult to clean; tain't so....as for the cleaning goes and this thinking is a 'hold-over' from the old 'Hawken days' and info about breaking the rifle out of the stock and plunging the barrel out with hot water and soap! Might be so with a Hawken but with a barrel that has a removable breech plug or a BPCR....cleaning is easier than removing copper fouling from a smokeless barrel and if you shoot enough copper gilding bullets...you will eventually have copper fouling within the bore!
The basic reason we've seen the advent of the smokeless powder 'inlines' is because of 'Commercialism' and the fact that many folks just don't understand blackpowder or how to use it!!
I don't think so! Savage....needs to go back to the drawing board with their so-called 'smokeless' ML! Smokeless powder is much more difficult to ignite than blackpowder and IMO....the breech-plug on the Savage is built with a lot of length to it such that the flashtube is much too long and even with the powders that Savage is recommending.....ignition is not consistant! The 209 primer just isn't hot enough to 'jump' 1 1/2" to lite things up...in a consistant manner. Think about this: In a regular smokeless powder case....the powder sits right atop the primer and a F215 primer lights the powder up quite well. The 'fire'....doesn't have to jump at all and ignition is excellent! No so....with the design of the Savage and especially with a 209 primer!
Blackpowder is the MOST ACCURATE powder in the world! Bar none! And anyone that has done any reading of historical events involving shooting know about this! Blackpowder is used on battleships and one of those big guns can drop a round atop your head from 25 miles off and that's no BS! What gives folks the 'willies' about BP....is the fact that supposedly BP is corrosive and difficult to clean; tain't so....as for the cleaning goes and this thinking is a 'hold-over' from the old 'Hawken days' and info about breaking the rifle out of the stock and plunging the barrel out with hot water and soap! Might be so with a Hawken but with a barrel that has a removable breech plug or a BPCR....cleaning is easier than removing copper fouling from a smokeless barrel and if you shoot enough copper gilding bullets...you will eventually have copper fouling within the bore!
The basic reason we've seen the advent of the smokeless powder 'inlines' is because of 'Commercialism' and the fact that many folks just don't understand blackpowder or how to use it!!
stephen newberry
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Ultimate M.L
Thanks for the in-put. Is their anyone that has this gun. It's build on a rem action and has a 45 win case shooting 200 grs of power
Thanks for the in-put. Is their anyone that has this gun. It's build on a rem action and has a 45 win case shooting 200 grs of power
